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To: arrogantsob
Thanks for your thoughtful and well-reasoned responses. My own thoughts on the matter are based on a belief that successful societies are dynamic and that their predominant attitudes are shaped by their experiences, in the aggregate. Your comments concerning the effect of the erosion of the founders' original intent are well taken.

IMHO, we descended to a point where the "milk and honey" you mention became available by merely printing money and recklessly lending it out at very low rates. Result- bubble. Now, we will see how long the leadership can keep this going. More importantly, I am now wondering whether the majority can learn from the pain that must follow this dishonesty and look for honest, non-collectivist solutions.
115 posted on 11/30/2008 3:50:22 PM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: PerConPat

The country has been under attack from the beginning. The Constitution was specifically written to RESTRAIN the federal government, essentially allowing it to maintain an Army/Navy, courts, post roads, and very little else. It was implied (and later outright stated as per the 10th Amendment) that the federal government would only have the powers EXPRESSLY granted to it and that all others were reserved to the states or the people.

Pretty much everyone in the federalist camp (who were a very broad group) made these arguments for ratification and even stated that a Bill of Rights was unnecessary because the federal government was not specifically granted the power to take any of the rights mentioned in the Bill of Rights! This was the key to many that were on the fence. The federal government was LIMITED and had only expressed powers.

Yet you had many of the same people arguing after the Constitution was ratified that the government had implied powers such as the ability to create a central bank. The more power the federal government gave itself, the less important states and localities became and the greater the government ignored or brushed aside the original intention of the Constitution.


126 posted on 11/30/2008 4:38:16 PM PST by djsherin (The federal government:: Because someone has to f*** things up!)
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To: PerConPat

The majority has consistently wanted something for nothing and I see little chance of that changing given the methods used to achieve political power.

It is almost impossible for the Right to control government when its rhetoric is universally anti-government. It has been utterly discredited by the Treason media and cannot elect statewide officials outside of a few states.

In addition, conceding the cities to the democrats makes it extremely difficult to win states especially as the nation becomes more urbanized as a whole.


153 posted on 11/30/2008 9:32:33 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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