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To: Finny
I'm on NEITHER side because NEITHER ONE apparently comprehends that limited government is the surest, most righteous way to further the causes of both social conservatism and fiscal conservatism.

The American form of limited government is impossible without Social Conservatism. Reagan knew that, why don't you?

[...] rather than shrinking the reach of government so that individuals have the right to reject and demonize evils like abortion and open homosexuality, conservatism will lose.

Abortion and homosexuality were unthinkable here for better than four hundred years. They were always wholly and utterly against the law for all that time, and yet suddenly now, people must be free to choose. That is idiocy. It is lunatic. It is like saying people must be free to choose murder and pedophilia.

115 posted on 11/29/2008 4:35:36 PM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: roamer_1
There's a difference between social conservatism and laws that say it's illegal NOT to be socially conservative. I think Reagan knew that. Why don't you?

Abortion and homosexuality were unthinkable here for better than four hundred years. They were always wholly and utterly against the law for all that time ...

Against Federal law? Really? So homosexuality was rooted out and stopped ... abortions were rooted out and stopped ... because they were illegal? WRONG -- societal pressure applied by free people is what "enforced" laws against both. Sodomy laws were NOT enforced because sheriffs went door-to-door and caught perps red-handed. Abortion -- which has been around four thousands of years (ancient Chinese did it with herbs) -- was not prevented by the law arresting doctors and pseudo-doctors; it was prevented by a moral people, and the sinners who indulged in it answered, as they always will, to a force much higher than any man-made government. Had a local, state, or Federal government mandated that employers keep flaming fags on their payrolls and taxpayers fund abortions for the poor, lynchings would have resulted. They do it now and no lynchings result because too many people -- the likes of you included -- regard such interference as a rightful, if misguided, purview of the Federal government, which the Founders most assuredly DID NOT.

Acceptance of open homosexuality and legalization of abortion HAS ONLY HAPPENED HERE because of the abandonment of limited government principle, and the embrace of expansive government. Threat of government-mandated jail time and fines prevent you and me from rejecting open homosexuality in our workplaces, our properties (if you're a landlord), our churches, our civic groups (Boy Scouts, anyone?), even our on-line dating services (eharmony). Left to their own in a LIMITED GOVERNMENT scenario, Americans would soundly reject open homosexuality and it would disappear into the closet. EXPANDED GOVERNMENT CAUSED THE PROBLEM -- why do you look to it now as a solution?

Threat of government-mandated jail time and fines prevent you and me from rejecting abortion as advocated by government "family planning" programs, schools, and even Romney's state-mandated insurance policy in Massachusetts. Left to their own in a LIMITED GOVERNMENT scenario, Americans would reject and shun societal endorsement of abortion, and it would be as it was before -- a shameful, hidden thing. Today, it's funded by your and my tax dollars! EXPANDED GOVERNMENT CAUSED THE PROBLEM -- why do you look to it now as a solution?

LIMITED GOVERNMENT, limiting the Federal government to staying out of these things, which WAS DONE in the Constitution, is the ONLY way to enable true Social conservatism. The Founders knew this. Why don't you?

144 posted on 11/30/2008 9:04:01 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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