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To: El Gato
I normally don't submit to being grilled by anyone I don't know, especially when they are gilling me about citizenship and their name starts with "el"....senior.

It is really compassionate to you to worry about the status of my children - who are both "Natural Born Citizens" of the USA. Oh, my daughter was born in Conyers, Georgia...adn you're questioning HER citizenship?

I kinda get the feeling your are playing "nah-nah-nah-nah-naaahhhhhh-nah", and if your guy's citizenship is questioned then everyone's is...how utterly childish.

But, I want to put this to rest for me, and the zillion other veterans who have had a child born while stationed overseas.

Below is the statute that certifies his citizenship, which is a totally different situation than your boy Barry.

BTW - I'm not going to spend any more of my time debating your about that, because:
a) It doesn't make any difference anyhow, and,
b) It's none of your business.

Have a nice dayyyyyy.


TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401Prev | Next § 1401.

Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person


     (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or

     (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

149 posted on 11/28/2008 3:59:32 PM PST by FrankR (Where's Waldo ([W]here [A]re [L]egal [D]ocuments [O]bama? (i.e. birth certificate))
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To: FrankR
Thanks for the referance, that's all I wanted. It was a request, not a grilling. It's just that I do not like to use or cite information, particularly about the law, from an unknown source.

However, if you read what you posted closely you'll see that sub-sections (A) and (B) to section (g), only serve to define cases were living outside the US counts as living in the US for parental residency purposes, not as special exemptions to the other rules.

Thus except for that aspect of parental residency requirements, people in the Armed Forces, and their children living with them, as well as the similar cases in (B), are treated no differently than anyone else.

Thus the children of a legal US resident alien who was also a member of the US Armed forces (there are many), would not be US citizens if born on a US military base abroad, but those of a US Citizen, who also met the residency requirements (Much easier now than when Obama was born, since it now only requires 2 years of residency after the 14th birthday) would be.

Oh it's "Señor", not "Senior", and I have no known Hispanic ancestry. There is a slight possibility that my maternal paternal great-grandfather was Spanish, his name being "Guy Carlos", although French is a bit more likely, but we really don't know. Otherwise, lots of German (Kunz) and lots of Brit (Harrison & Lee). But both my Grandfathers were orphans, one of completely unknown origin, the other (Guy Carlos) we know a little about on his mothers side, and next to nothing on his father's side.

150 posted on 11/28/2008 6:10:14 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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