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To: GipperGal
Okay, this is my first indication that you're out of your f***ing mind! HOW DOES SHE NOT GET THE PRO-LIFE VOTE?!!! [...] Your words are not only false, they are offensive!

This is *not* the Pro-Life standard:

Constitution does offer an inherent right to privacy

Q: Do you think there's an inherent right to privacy in the Constitution?

A: I do. Yeah, I do.

Q: The cornerstone of Roe v. Wade.

A: I do. And I believe that individual states can best handle what the people within the different constituencies in the 50 states would like to see their will ushered in an issue like that.

Source: 2008 CBS News presidential interview with Katie Couric Oct 1, 2008

Abortion should be states' issue, not federal mandate

Q: Why is Roe v. Wade a bad decision?

A: I think it should be a states' issue not a federal government-mandated, mandating yes or no on such an important issue. I'm, in that sense, a federalist, where I believe that states should have more say in the laws of their lands and individual areas. Now, foundationally, it's no secret that I'm pro-life that I believe in a culture of life is very important for this country. Personally that's what I would like to see further embraced by America.

Source: 2008 CBS News presidential interview with Katie Couric Oct 1, 2008

OnTheIssues.org: Sarah Palin on Abortion

Can you tell me what the real Pro-Life position is?

I already answered you on fiscal conservative questions and told you to listen to her discuss her record herself.

So you are O.K with a 28% increase in the state budget in one year. That is fiscal conservatism to you, huh? And that it comes from an exorbitant windfall profit tax- Something that any Conservative of any stripe has been *dead_set_against* for as long as I have been alive... That doesn't bother you in the least, eh? Does it bother you that it was made retroactive, or is that O.K too?

I wonder what will happen next summer when the margins go up and the oil companies shut down their operations on state lands and ramp up their operations on federal lands... I wonder how the AK budget will be effected by that (because that is precisely what they are going to do). I wonder what she paid in good will for that one-time big money grab...

Please explain how saving for the future is not fiscally conservative?

Please explain how a 28% increase is fiscally conservative, and how corporate windfall profit taxes are conservative in any way, and we can go forward from there. The unmitigated hypocrisy it takes to sweep these two glaring errors under the rug, especially when campaigning nationally against them both, it just boggles the mind. It is indefensible, and to the FICONS (not to mention libertarians), I guarantee, it will be a very tough pill to swallow.

[...] finite oil resources are rapidly depleting and the state must get the best price for its treasure while the treasure is still there.

Poppycock. They are sitting on more oil than Saudi Arabia. Look up Seal Island some time. And that is just one of many. Their north shore is huge in oil reserves as well.

(BTW, Palin is opposed to additional bailouts, and didn't really like the first one.)

Will the real Sarah Palin please stand up? Which one is it?

Your argument about Defense Conservatism is utter nonsense.

Do you mean to tell me that... lets say Gen Petraeus ran for President... Do you really think the DEFCONS would flock to Palin over him in the primaries? Not for all the lipstick in the world. Not a chance in hell. She cannot offer them what he can. That is not to talk her down, it is just a bare fact. They respect their own.

What that means, though, is that Palin would not win, and neither would Petraeus- Conservatives split and spoiled, and a RINO cruises into the winner's circle. That is the inherent danger that I seek to prevent.

240 posted on 11/29/2008 12:38:31 AM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: roamer_1; GipperGal
Thank you for the well argued reply.

But you are playing a little 3 card monte on us when you slip between Practical Political Calculation(PPC) and Principled Conservative Philosophy (PCP)in arguing your points. There is absolutely no contradiction in a PCP when you advocate as a PPC that the Life issue should be first and foremost a State Issue. It makes sense on a number of levels, not the least of which is that more lives will be saved by returning to the states the power to regulate or eliminate abortion. The whole Art of Politics is to achieve what can be achieved by constitutional and lawful means. IE: "The Art of the possible".

SP is on the money when she advocates first turning the issue back to the states where it was before the abomination of Roe.And it is precisely because that approach will, in the short term, mean more restrictions and possible elimination of abortion by many states.

And lets not forget, friend, that your hero and mine signed a very liberal abortion law while governor of CA. Political Morality consists of doing the best you can with the tools at hand. That was always the Reagan way and it is I believe the Palin way.

On the fiscal conservative front even our hero presided over the largest growth of debt by the Feds up to that time because of a higher goal of defeating the USSR. Again, to isolate specific programs by RR or SP misses the point of blending the PPC and PCP to govern SUCCESSFULLY. It is after all the ultimate goal of a political leader. And one reason GWB will be seen as a failure.

Lastly, defense. That,IMO, has more to do with qualities of character and fundamental world view. Do you believe America is an exceptional nation ? Do you believe that Right is worth fighting for? Do you believe in Just War? Do you believe the first duty of Government is to protect and defend the lives and well being of the American people?

These are the questions we should be asking of anyone seeking to be POTUS. And I believe Sarah Palin answer yes to all of them. That's good enough for me.

243 posted on 11/29/2008 8:16:21 AM PST by mick
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