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To: Texas Songwriter
Since it's first state cannot be explained in terms of earlier initial conditions and natural laws leading up to, it seem to to mandate an uncaused cause.

I think you are somewhat behind the times in terms of what science can and cannot investigate.

We have already been around the issue of causation. If you axiomatically require causation, you wind up with an infinite regress. Asserting that there is an entity that does not require a first cause is logically indistinguishable from asserting that first cause in not required.

An honest person might conclude that we just don't know.

199 posted on 11/26/2008 5:50:32 AM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
I think you are somewhat behind the times in terms of what science can and cannot investigate.

Do you mean to say physics can investigate prior to the beginning of the universe by using scientific methodology?

Asserting that there is an entity that does not require a first cause is logically indistinguishable from asserting that first cause in not required.

I do not, and have never asserted that the beginning of the universe did not require cause. You seem to be asseting this, and yes, repeatedly you have asserted such without so much as a centilla of evidence and at the expense of logic.

An honest person might conclude that we just don't know.

Thank you for that honest statement. At least you have moved from atheism to agnosticism. That is some movement. But an honest person would examine the circumstances at that instant prior to singularity, that being nothingness, and ask what was there to cause it? No space-occupying mass, energy, no time...Whay and why would the universe spring denovo into existence from that mileau?

Well, it is nice speaking to you.

242 posted on 11/26/2008 9:34:09 AM PST by Texas Songwriter
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