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To: Cacique

Mort should change his name to Moderate because that is what he is. Nobody expects him to breathe fire. He is correct in the sense that we need to think creatively about how we present our alternatives to Euro-Socialism. The gay marriage issue is a loser with young people. Ironically, the only prayer for preserving traditional definitions of marriage is the flood of immigrants, so those two conservative are diametrically opposed. The way we can win moderates back to our side will become clear as the liberals started to press their advantage and display their fasicist tendencies (card check, anti-school choice, etc). That’s where we can win hearts and minds. But trying to conince 15 year-olds that gay marriage is evil when they know two or three nice and sane gay folks (plus Ellen on tv) isn’t going to win back Virginia.


95 posted on 11/25/2008 8:33:23 AM PST by Callahan
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To: Callahan

***The gay marriage issue is a loser with young people.***

Sadly, you’re correct, but we can’t concede that one because it will be the death knell for this Republic.

Some people see that and think I’m being a homophobe, but the problem is not gay marriage itself, it’s what gay activists do when they gain power. Examples below...we need to rephrase this issue as an issue of freedom.

Leo Childs
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/005774.html

Scott Brockie
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2004/apr/04041604.html

Ake Green
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ake_Green

Scott Savage
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49761

Crystal Dixon
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,355507,00.html

Ene Kiildi
http://people.maine.com/paula/pph/pph-2.9b.98.html

The Mennonites of Roxton Falls, Quebec
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/aug/07081701.html

Christian (and Mormon, Jewish and Muslim) business owners in Colorado
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68060

Guy Earle
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=7096c4b6-e48c-46ea-9aeb-7a075a3766e2

Christian youth in Australia
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08062406.html

Christian civil servants
http://www.10news.com/news/16663610/detail.html

The Philadelphia 11
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41705

The Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association
Yeshiva University
California Lutheran High School
A psychologist at North Mississippi Health Services
A Vermont civil servant
Elane Photography
A Christian doctor
A private adoption agency
The Boy Scouts
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91486340

eHarmony
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27821393/

The Mormon Church
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_11070812?source=rss


113 posted on 11/25/2008 9:56:48 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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