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Thanksgiving - A Violation of Church and State?
Townhall.com ^ | November 25, 2008 | Chuck Norris

Posted on 11/25/2008 5:44:35 AM PST by Kaslin

Is the government's observance of Thanksgiving a violation of the separation of church and state?

This past week, a Newsweek/Washington Post editorial labeled presidential Thanksgiving Day proclamations as "cracks in the wall of separation." The author explained, "The problem with these proclamations, it seems to me, is that they pave the way for public acceptance of gross violations of the constitutional separation of church and state." What?!

Forget for a moment that nearly every president since George Washington (and the Continental Congress before him) has given Judeo-Christian proclamations for Thanksgiving (except between 1816 and 1861) and also has declared other national days of fasting and prayer. Secularists, such as the author of the editorial, get almost giddy every time they highlight that Thomas Jefferson rejected the notion of proclaiming Thanksgiving spirituals and prayers. But the truth is Jefferson was far from the modern-day secularist they make him out to be.

Sure, Jefferson was adamant (as we all should be) that there should be no federal subscription to any one form of religious sectarianism. That is largely what the First Amendment is all about -- establishing the free exercise of religion and restricting sectarian supremacy in government, as well as government intrusion in churches.

But secularists make two grave mistakes when it comes to Jefferson and the First Amendment. First, they misconstrue his understanding of separation. Second, they overlook how Jefferson himself endorsed and intermingled religion and politics, even during his two terms as president. Let me explain, as I believe it is a timely reminder, given that we are experiencing a new round of battles in our Christmas culture war, too.

The phrase "separation of church and state" actually comes from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists. He told them that no particular Christian denomination was going to have a monopoly in government. His words, "a wall of separation between Church & State," were not written to remove all religious practice from government or civic settings, but to prohibit the domination and even legislation of religious sectarianism.

Proof that Jefferson was not trying to rid government of religious (specifically Christian) influence comes from the fact that he endorsed the use of government buildings for church meetings and services, signed a treaty with the Kaskaskia Indians that allotted federal money to support the building of a Catholic church and to pay the salaries of the church's priests, and repeatedly renewed legislation that gave land to the United Brethren to help their missionary activities among the American Indians.

Some might be completely surprised to discover that just two days after Jefferson wrote his famous letter citing the "wall of separation between Church & State," he attended church in the place where he always had as president: the U.S. Capitol. The very seat of our nation's government was used for sacred purposes. As the Library of Congress' Web site notes, "It is no exaggeration to say that on Sundays in Washington during the administrations of Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) and of James Madison (1809-1817) the state became the church." Does that sound like someone who was trying to create an impenetrable wall of separation between church and state?

Let's face the present Thanksgiving facts. President Bush likely will give the last explicit Judeo-Christian Thanksgiving proclamation that Americans will hear for the next four to eight years, as President-elect Obama likely will coddle a form of godliness in his Thanksgiving addresses (if he indeed gives them) that appeases the masses with a deity that fits every politically correct dress.

But I'm an optimist. And because so much attention is being given right now by the media and the president-elect himself regarding his parallels to and lessons learned from President Abraham Lincoln, I recommend Obama heed Lincoln's Thanksgiving wisdom. Don't mince or water down the God of the Pilgrims, as is being done in public schools across this land through the retelling of the first Thanksgiving.

Obama doesn't even need a speechwriter for Thanksgiving 2009. He simply can recite Lincoln's Thanksgiving Day Proclamation, in which Lincoln thanked the Almighty for America's bountiful blessings and providential care despite enduring a war and grave economic hardships. The content seems divinely timed for even such a wintry season as our own:

"No human counsel hath devised, nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the most high God, who while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. … I do, therefore, invite my fellow citizens … to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next as a day of thanksgiving and praise to our beneficent Father, who dwelleth in the heavens. And I recommend to them that, while offering up the ascriptions justly due to him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged and fervently implore the interposition of the almighty hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it, as soon as may be consistent with the divine purposes, to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquility and union."

Whatever your religious persuasion, don't hesitate this Thanksgiving to bow your head, give thanks to God, and follow Lincoln's advice. And when you do, don't forget to say a prayer for our troops and their families. While they serve us so we can serve our Thanksgiving feasts safely, the least we can do is serve them a little honor and remembrance.


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1 posted on 11/25/2008 5:44:35 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Bring it on!


2 posted on 11/25/2008 5:47:12 AM PST by incredulous joe ("No road is long with good company. " - Turkish Proverb)
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To: Kaslin

The only Constitutional violators are the militant atheists trying to force the no religion religion into place as the official state religion.


3 posted on 11/25/2008 5:49:10 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Kaslin
constitutional separation of church and state


4 posted on 11/25/2008 5:50:04 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Kaslin

Isn’t Thanksgiving a holiday celebrating the Pilgrims thanking the Indians for help?

*snicker*

That is being taught in some public schools.


5 posted on 11/25/2008 5:54:36 AM PST by CriticalJ
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To: Kaslin

I keep reading the 1st ammendment over and over and over and over and I can’t find any “seperation” or “wall” between the Church and State.


6 posted on 11/25/2008 5:54:47 AM PST by CSM (IÂ’m jubilant! Now that the Dems are completely in charge, we can FINALLY blame THEM for everything!)
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To: Kaslin

The vast ignorance of people is ASTOUNDING.


7 posted on 11/25/2008 5:55:22 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Kaslin

Since The President Elect hasn’t been to Church since he won the election, I’m not so sure he has anything he wants to be thankful for...


8 posted on 11/25/2008 5:56:36 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Kaslin
The Mayflower Compact was under 200 words and mentioned God six times.

The Pilgrims apparently did not differentiate between 'church' and 'state'.

9 posted on 11/25/2008 5:57:10 AM PST by AU72
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To: Kaslin

Actually, I think I agree. The Federal government should not celebrate Christmas, Thanksgiving or any other holiday with a reglious connotation. Federal employees and those elected to government should work on those days. The rest of us in the wealth-creating part of the economy can rely on our employers to recognize these important traditions, and we’ll have the day off while those who feed at the tit of the government can carry on working. Sounds like an idea every liberal (and their union buddies) would support, right?


10 posted on 11/25/2008 5:59:41 AM PST by MikeGranby
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To: Travis T. OJustice
constitutional separation of church and state

It is sad that unelected men in robes can unilaterally alter the Constitution completely usurping power from the people and the other branches of government. We are losing this great country a little more each year.

11 posted on 11/25/2008 6:00:14 AM PST by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Kaslin
Separation of Church and State. Biggest non-amendment in The Constitution, ever. The 1st Amendment says:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It specifically says the government will not establish a specific, state approved religion. The people will be allowed to worship in any fashion. The last three words even support the celebration of Festivus and the Airing of Grievances.

12 posted on 11/25/2008 6:08:10 AM PST by edpc
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To: Kaslin

Since Seperation of Church and State is only a thought in the minds of liberal and liberal judges and NOT written into the US Constitution then it can not be violated.
The Constitution specifically and ONLY prohibits the GOVERNMENT from ESTABLISHING at STATE RELIGION by LEGISLATION. Nothing more nothing less. Time this Nation got back to honoring our own Constitution.


13 posted on 11/25/2008 6:08:34 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: Kaslin

It looks like Libtards want to see how far they can push the envolope. They have already attacked Christmas and Easter, now Thanksgiving. I don’t believe they will stop until they have cleansed us of all tradition.

BTW, I don’t believe these Holidays (Holy Days) are only for the religious, they are traditional days of celebration.


14 posted on 11/25/2008 6:08:51 AM PST by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: Kaslin

oh fer cryin’ out loud pleeeeezzzz let me say my grace at meals in private and LET ME EAT MY TURKEY & DRESSING!!!!roflmao


15 posted on 11/25/2008 6:14:44 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Good Morning Mr & Mrs Scooterw and All The Ships At Sea)
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To: Kaslin

Thanksgiving should be on a Friday, since I have to work the Friday after.


16 posted on 11/25/2008 6:15:57 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Million Minuteman March (Spring 2009))
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To: Kaslin

Freedom Of Religion does not mean Freedom From Religion.


17 posted on 11/25/2008 6:19:50 AM PST by BuffaloJack
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Much has been made of Jefferson's usage of the words "wall of separation between Church and State" (Letter to the Danbury Baptists, 1802). It does change ones perspective a bit to know the this same Jefferson went to church services held in the US Capitol building...

This from the Library of Congress web site...

"It is no exaggeration to say that on Sundays in Washington during the administrations of Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) and of James Madison (1809-1817) the state became the church. Within a year of his inauguration, Jefferson began attending church services in the House of Representatives. Madison followed Jefferson's example, although unlike Jefferson, who rode on horseback to church in the Capitol, Madison came in a coach and four. Worship services in the House--a practice that continued until after the Civil War--were acceptable to Jefferson because they were nondiscriminatory and voluntary. Preachers of every Protestant denomination appeared. (Catholic priests began officiating in 1826.)" http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06-2.html
18 posted on 11/25/2008 6:21:30 AM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Kaslin
Let's face the present Thanksgiving facts. President Bush likely will give the last explicit Judeo-Christian Thanksgiving proclamation that Americans will hear for the next four to eight years, as President-elect Obama likely will coddle a form of godliness in his Thanksgiving addresses (if he indeed gives them) that appeases the masses with a deity that fits every politically correct dress.

Yup.

19 posted on 11/25/2008 6:24:03 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Kaslin

20 posted on 11/25/2008 6:27:40 AM PST by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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