"They" who? LDS members?
How are "they" "slaves"? Because we teach and practice that choices have consequences? Are you claiming that we don't permit our members to leave? What, exactly?
Given the very well documented, unchristian and abhorrent "marriage" practices taught and practiced by Joe Smith and Brigham Young, including teaching that Jesus was a Polygamist and father of many children, you mormons simply will not be allowed to usurp position as "Christian Champions of the Family".
This kind of silly accusation has been leveled at us and answered literally thousands of times, since the time of Joseph Smith, so I won't waste my time on it.
You better read your "Journal of Discourses", and "History of the Church" before you respond accusing in disbelief.
Yeah, you're right. I'm sure you're better educated on my own Church than I am. Say, could you teach my Sunday School class this week too?
The media trashes you guys...
Umm... Where is the media "trashing" us? I thought this thread was about the Gay Rights folks protesting the Church.
...because FLDS and LDS founders Joseph Smith and Brigham Young...
Ooops! Joseph Smith and Brigham Young had nothing at all to do with the FLDS. But, I'm sure you knew that, being an expert on the subject and all.
...did what they did and said what they said, and now you are picking a fight with the enemies of Christianity and then hiding behind us claiming victim status and asking us for protection.
So, LDS support for Proposition 8 is "picking a fight with the enemies of Christianity"? Isn't that what we're supposed to do?
How are we "hiding behind" you? When and where have we ever asked for your protection?
As far as "victim status", it seems that the facts speak for themselves. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has certainly not been the only target of this Gay Rights protest crap, and our hearts go out to all those who have suffered from it.
Actually I have a letter in my possession where one Stake President Christopher Rock of an Anchorage Alaska stake told me that I do not have authority to resign my daughters from the church because they are over the age of 8 years old. He asserts that the right of the church to retain my 10 and 12 year old daughters exceeds my right as a father to resign them. Since then I have have had 4 visits to my house from mormons asking to see my girls. I have the proof. this will likely wind up in the courts. i suppose you will brush this off as "consequences" as well.
"This kind of silly accusation has been leveled at us and answered literally thousands of times, since the time of Joseph Smith, so I won't waste my time on it."
Apostle Orson Hyde:“I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that JESUS CHRIST WAS MARRIED at Cana of Galilee, THAT MARY, MARTHA, AND OTHERS WERE HIS WIVES, AND THAT HE BEGAT CHILDREN.(Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, page 210)
Brigham Young, answering critics who claimed polygamy as a relic of barbarism:“Yes, one of the relics of Adam, of Enoch, of Noah, of Abraham, of Isaac, of Jacob, of Moses, David, Solomon, the Prophets, OF JESUS, AND HIS APOSTLES.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, page 328)
Brigham Young:“The Scripture says that He, the LORD, came walking in the Temple, with HIS TRAIN; I do not now who they were, unless HIS WIVES AND CHILDREN;...” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, page 309)
The only thing silly here is that you are too afraid to check for yourself if these quotes are real. THEY ARE. I resigned my membership in just the last 90 days, because I was trying to prove a Christian wrong only to find it was the TRUTH, as recorded in THE LDS CHURCHES OWN BOOKS ! You people are so brainwashed you won't even prepare a proper defense....Open your eyes ! The Gay lobby and Liberal media can and will hit you on this ! THIS IS A PROP 8 ISSUE, WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT GOING TO DEFEND THESE ACTIONS AND TEACHINGS, RELEVANT TO THE MARRIAGE ISSUE AT HAND !
"I'm sure you're better educated on my own Church than I am. Say, could you teach my Sunday School class this week too?
I am. I am a direct descendant of Martin Harris. I grew up in the church in Utah. I served faithfully until the age of 37 in numerous callings including SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHER, and BISHOPRIC MEMBER. I was FAITHFULLY trying to disprove quotes like the ones I just gave you when i found they were true, and I had been lied to my whole life.
" Joseph Smith and Brigham Young had nothing at all to do with the FLDS."
Joseph Smith wrote the FLDS Book of Mormon. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young developed the FLDS version of Polygamy and psychological brainwashing and control techniques. The truth is the FLDS are much less ashamed and more honest about Joseph Smith and Brigham young than the LDS.
This stigma is the mormons to deal with, not we Christians. We wouldn't ask for help from the klan because their baggage will be used against us, and we don't accept your help either, ESPECIALLY THIS TOPIC WITH YOUR HISTORY.
Prop 8 is not about Mormons, it is about gay marriage.