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Hawaiian officials admit withholding Obama's original BC
Isreal Insider ^ | November 1, 2008

Posted on 11/23/2008 6:30:41 PM PST by Red Steel

Now it's pretty apparent why Barack Obama made his sudden, last minute visit to Honolulu. It wasn't Granny's health problems that interested him but Hawaii's Health Department.

The strategy may have backfired. A statement by Hawaiian officials Friday that they have seen but won't release an "original" birth certificate that has never been released raises more questions than it answers. It undercuts the indignant claims of Obama spokesmen and supporters that the "birth certificate" has been published for months, and the ridicule and claims of "smear" that the Obama camp has made against anyone claiming otherwise.

Image: the "certification of live birth" claimed by Obama campaign as his "birth certificate"

According to an AP report, Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday that she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

But they won't say one word about what's on it.

Conspicuously, Hawaiian officials refuse to confirm that the information on the "original" certificate conforms to what has appeared on the "Certification of Live Birth" produced in 2007 that has so far been passed off as original by the Obama "Fight the Smears" site (here) and the Annenberg-backed site FactCheck.org (here). The latter dedicated a photoshoot to examining in pornographic detail a computer-generated facsimile that may bear no relation to the original document that the State of Hawaii now admits holding.

Can anyone smell "red herring"?

All of the obfuscation, which has been going on for more than four months, begs the question that the Obama campaign and its media supporters have steadfastly refused to answer: why won't the original birth certificate be released?

Why can't the Obama campaign do as the McCain campaign did, and release the original, typewritten document that the State of Hawaii, finally and in the last days before the election, admits exists in its "vaults"? What could be so damaging or contradictory that Obama has felt the need to keep hidden all these years and has created elaborate cover-ups to put forward computer-abstracted certification of live certificate instead of the original birth certificate?

Fukino says that no state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's birth certificate be handled differently. But state officials, including Lingle's office, have consistently refused media requests for the release of the document, saying that only Obama himself, or a close family number, was authorized to have access to the "original" certificate. She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.

Apparently that does not include the American People.

And yet Obama claimed in his memoir Dreams from my Father that he had in his possession his birth certificate. Unless the document has been "lost," he could publish the original without visiting grandma in Honolulu.

Trumpeting victory in Hawaii's admission that a suppressed "original" birth certificate exists is Chicago-based journalist Andy Martin, a long time nemesis of Obama, whose trip to Hawaii preceded the candidate's. (Obama arrived just as Martin left). Martin takes credit for forcing the State's hand in a press release:

Obama has falsely claimed to have placed the "original" on the Internet. Factcheck.org has falsely claimed to have seen this document and posted it on the Internet; that is not true. CNN has falsely ridiculed Martin. Hawai'i officials have now refuted Obama's false assertion.

Martin's victory in Honolulu will roil the final weekend of the presidential campaign. Internet chatter is expected to explode as the issue moves to the front page over Saturday and Sunday. Swing voters may be swayed by the exposure that Obama has brazenly been lying to the American people. "We just lobbed a grenade into the final weekend of the presidential campaign," says Andy.

"I am ecstatic. I called Obama a liar. I called Factcheck.org 'ObamaLies.org.' I said CNN was sloppy and lazy and wrong. And I was right. The State of Hawai'i has now backed me up. Whew. I knew I was right, but I feel a lot more comfortable knowing that I have started to get the machinery moving in state government. The original document is now obviously protected and safe from any tampering by Obama.

"My lawsuit started a firestorm in Hawai'i. The circuit judge has set a hearing for November 18th (a report in the Honolulu Advertiser for November 1st for an earlier hearing date of November 7th is inaccurate; that date was cancelled).

"CNN also has egg on its face, because, once again, Hawai'i backs my contention that the original document has never surfaced in public. CNN tried to demean me by contradicting my accurate claim.

"Now Obama, Factcheck.org and CNN have been exposed as liars. I said there was a 'secret,' original, typewritten birth certificate that had never been disclosed, and that document was the original COLB, not the phony 'original' that CNN placed before its viewers.

Martin, who has advanced the theory that the candidate has suppressed the original certificate because it would show that his father is not in fact Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., claims that Frank Marshall Davis -- a high profile Communist and journalist that Obama II referred to in his memoirs only as "Frank" -- is in fact Obama's father.

Martin has a court date in Hawaii on his demand to release the original birth certificate in the public interest scheduled for November 18, 2008. He has scheduled a press conference for today


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: bho2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile
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To: Doug TX
"this could open the gates to anyone in the world who can pick up US citizenship."
21 posted on 11/23/2008 6:44:58 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: Doug TX
open the gates to anyone in the world who can pick up US citizenship

If they don't have to show a BC, then who knows if they are even a US citizen? Can we prove obama is yet?

22 posted on 11/23/2008 6:46:09 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: jedi150
I’d carbon date anything they supply. had enough time to do a wee bit better forgery than the first one."

I don't think carbon dating is that precise, but your point is very, very valid.

23 posted on 11/23/2008 6:47:31 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: Red Steel

The footprint on the certificate might not be “Barack’s”.


24 posted on 11/23/2008 6:48:17 PM PST by qwertypie
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To: Red Steel
Apparently that does not include the American People.

We have no "standing".

25 posted on 11/23/2008 6:50:23 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: Red Steel

1. Obama could get it any time.

2. In his lawsuit, Alan Keyes mentioned something I have not seen brought up before, that Hawaii issues birth certificate to people who were resident of Hawaii, EVEN IF the child was born outside of Hawaii, even in a foreign country (Hawaii revised statute 338-178)


26 posted on 11/23/2008 6:52:07 PM PST by FocusNexus
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To: Red Steel

I’m sure the birth certificate has embarassing information. Perhaps that other guy is really Obama’s father, and not Barack Obama Sr. He was known as Barry all through school; maybe his birth certificate says his given name is Barry, not Barack. There’s a lot of things like that we can all think of. Why not just release the darn thing and let this storm blow over, whatever it is he doesn’t want us to know.

Bill Clinton would never have been impeached if he had told the truth about Monica L. There would have been an uproar in the news, as happened anyway, but it would have blown over. Whatever is on Obama’s birth certificate will also blow over.

It’s not the underlying event, but the cover up that gets politicians in trouble.


27 posted on 11/23/2008 6:53:00 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Tennessee Nana
You still don't have to be born IN the United States to be a "natural born citizen" of the United States.

"Natural" has nothing to do with "place", just of "status" and the "law".

29 posted on 11/23/2008 6:54:22 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Red Steel

Keyes adds his “standing” to Obama citizenship challenge

http://israelinsider.ning.com/profiles/blogs/keyes-adds-his-standing-to

Above article has link to Keyes’ legal filing:

http://americamustknow.com/Documents/Final%20writ%20Keyes%20v%20Bowen.pdf


30 posted on 11/23/2008 6:55:16 PM PST by FocusNexus
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To: Red Steel

The Naturalization Act signed by George Washington in 1795 says that both parents of the candidate running for President have to be Citizens of the U.S. and the candidate has to be born in the U.S.
Obama Sr. was a subject of the British crown and was not a U.S. Citizen. Even if Obama Jr. can prove that he was born in Hawaii, he does not qualify because Obama Sr. was born in Kenya....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp2kKNTjH70


31 posted on 11/23/2008 6:58:09 PM PST by classified
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To: Red Steel
There isn’t a fact in the entire diatribe, it's nothing but a stinking blog!
32 posted on 11/23/2008 6:58:46 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Plausible. The Obama BC could be the key to uncovering a cascade of lies built up over a lifetime exploding his public persona.


33 posted on 11/23/2008 7:00:32 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

This article sounds familiar. Note the phrase: “finally and in the last days before the election, admits exists in its “vaults”? “ I think this is a reprint of some other article.


34 posted on 11/23/2008 7:01:18 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: qwertypie
Exactly!
35 posted on 11/23/2008 7:04:38 PM PST by BARLF
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To: muawiyah

Naturalization Act of 1795 signed by George Washington states that a child born out of the country from 2 parents who are U.S. citizens is a Citizen of the U.S. but not a Natural Born Citizen, which makes that child ineligible to become President. Mit Romney’s father had to withdraw from running for President because of this very law. He was born out of the U.S. even thugh both of his parents were U.S. citizens. How in the Hell Barack has gotten away with this for this long is beyond understanding
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp2kKNTjH70


36 posted on 11/23/2008 7:04:55 PM PST by classified
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To: classified
The law at the time of Obama's birth:

1952 The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b). (Section 301 of the Act).

"Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

"(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

"(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years."

Obama's Mama was 18 years 8 months 6 days old when 0 was born. That means that the maximum time she could be a resident after the age of 14 was 4 years 8 months 6 days, so no matter what other circumstances there might be surrounding 0's birth, either he is a natural born citizen by virtue of being born in the US, or he is not a natural born citizen by virtue of being born outside the US - unless his father is not BHO Sr. and his actual father was a citizen. (DNA test, please.) There are only two types of citizens: naturalized and natural born. If you were a citizen at birth then you are natural born. If you were not a citizen at birth then you are a naturalized citizen (assuming you are a citizen and not an illegal immigrant, Barry). And Donofrio's attempt to create a third class of citizen (born a citizen but not natural born) won't fly. It has no Constitutional foundation.

37 posted on 11/23/2008 7:05:31 PM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: Red Steel
Isreal= Isn't Real....Ha Ha, you been PUNKED
38 posted on 11/23/2008 7:05:54 PM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: classified

Because the 1795 law has long been superceded by yet other “naturalization” acts.


39 posted on 11/23/2008 7:09:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: classified

Was that Act ever modified or repealed?


40 posted on 11/23/2008 7:13:34 PM PST by Centurion2000 (To protect and defend ... against all enemies, foreign and domestic .... by any means necessary.)
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