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How Tom Daschle Might Kill Conservatism [Obamacare: make us dependent, then how to shrink gov't?]
US News & World Report ^ | November 21, 2008 | James Pethokoukis

Posted on 11/21/2008 4:15:41 PM PST by Mike Fieschko

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To: socialismisinsidious

As current doctors resign, they will be replaced by foreign trained doctors. Eventually, as it becomes clear that a career in medicine is less and less desirable, fewer American born students will apply to our medical schools. Ultimately, we will all be able to experience that foreign medical thing that these bureaucratic experts tell us is so superior to the present model.

Se habla Obama?


41 posted on 11/23/2008 7:16:34 PM PST by long hard slogger (If you're going through hell, keep going. - Winston Churchill)
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Some things to check out...

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4u5x9XAsAs&fmt=6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_Rf42zNl9U&fmt=6


42 posted on 11/23/2008 9:19:41 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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On the other hand, watch for the corresponding surveys indicating that people in other countries much prefer their systems to the US system.

One reason for this is that many of those patients who need very serious treatment die before getting it...seriously. Check out the wait times and death rates while waiting for treatment, and you'll see how high they are...and realize that these are great systems, as long as you aren't too sick.

Talking point(s) I haven't heard much...

Increasing healthcare costs?
If a person wants 1970s care, it's available at a low cost. But today's care costs a lot more, because someone had to develop new techniques and equipment. People often insist on the latest care. If we go to socialized medicine, there's little incentive to get improved methods. "Do you want new advances in health care, or do you want universal stagnant care?"

Many people come to the US for care they can't receive back home. Once the US goes socialist, (a) where will we go for quality care, and (b) where will the rest of the world turn when we aren't there?

43 posted on 11/23/2008 9:36:20 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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“One reason for this is that many of those patients who need very serious treatment die before getting it...seriously. Check out the wait times and death rates while waiting for treatment, and you'll see how high they are...and realize that these are great systems, as long as you aren't too sick.”

The problem is that the data on US life expectancy rates is not nearly as good as it is in other industrial countries. Apparently, an even more important statistic for measuring the quality of health care is infant mortality rates and in this area the US system performs poorly compared to other countries.

44 posted on 11/24/2008 3:48:30 AM PST by spatso
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