Judge orders release of 5 terror suspects at Gitmo

AP via SFGate ^ | 11/20/8 | LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer

[EGPWS]

A federal judge has ordered the release of five Algerian terror suspects who have been held without charges almost seven years at Guantanamo Bay.

What's the matter judge, WOT going to good for your liking and you feel the terrorist need more support?

[devolve]

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We had an Army Colonel that worked for us in Florida who resigned his commission during the Korean War because the Department of Defense would not allow Court Martial charges to be brought against the many deserters under fire that caused the death of many men in his command

This was just backed up in a documentary on the Military Channel - with live witnesses - officers and surviving troops - some of the “runners” blamed the officers because they were not smart enough to dig in - just sat or slept on their packs on a rest break or ran to the rear and left others to die as the North Korean troops charged them

The is a good reason many soldiers were assigned to be truck drivers and never see a combat role

The US military death rates today in Iraq and Afghanistan accurately reflect this

[potlatch]

[Department of Defense would not allow Court Martial charges to be brought against the many deserters under fire that caused the death of many men]

Amazing that that was happening back then. Especially disturbing that it was the Department of Defense that made that decision.

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Now you cannot criticize mr. creepy of his family or associates

It will get much worse as they will use the FFC instead of the Fairness/Censorship Doctrine to shut down 1st Amendment dissent on talk radio and likely the internet too

Schmucky Schemer and Diane Feinstein are the point creeps on this

In Korea they finally put them together in forward foxholes and warned them not to turn around and run back or leave or they might be mistaken for enemy soldiers

My cousin served in Korea and survived - Firsthand stories you would not believe

[potlatch]

Yes, I would believe the stories after all I’ve read through the years.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Great idea. Let’s release them from a C-130 at 8,000 feet.

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My cousin said after the ChiComs got into it he had nights up on a hill when he knew he killed hundreds of them with his Browning .30

He grew up hunting and it kept him alive in Korea

It affected him for many many decades after the war and I was the only one he ever talked to about it -

[potlatch]

[when he knew he killed hundreds of them ]

Yes, that is something you have to deal with, even if it is war. Only good people are affected by it.

It wouldn’t bother Bill Ayers.

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It’s lucky for “war protestor” Ayers that my cousin never knew much about him - Ayers was hiding from the FBI

It would have likely saved America what it yet to come

[omega4179]

I didnt know the judicial branch was commander in chief of the armed forces! these are POW we dont NEED to charge them with anything, just catch them on a battlefield.

[haroldeveryman]

“If you’ll recall, the military tribunal’s set up by the Bush administration to try these scumbags was shot down by the United States Supreme Court, which gave foreign terrorists rights of habeas corpus..”

Bulls eye!

[rockinqsranch]

“Much of the evidence against the Algerians is classified and could not be discussed during the two open court hearings in the seven-day trial —...”

This Judge ruled on a matter he had incomplete information.

[ensignbay]

Here we go. These people are so blinded by their hatred for Bush, or America, or the US Military that they can’t see who are the real dangers. Unbelievable.

The willfully blind are in power while great Americans like Rick Santorum were vote out. What is becoming of this country!?

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/we-demand-true-conservative-leadership.html

[sport]

They should be released in Detroit Michigan.

[BIGLOOK]

Revive the earlier program.

[worst-case scenario]

Yes and the five are going back to Bosnia, which has already stated that it will take them. The judge, appointed by Bush and who has already upheld some Bush provisions over detention, said that they could not be held because there was only the testimony of one anonymous person against them.

If the entire DoD couldn’t find any more evidence against them after seven frickin’ years, then perhaps the entire case against these guys was bogus from the get-go. Or the DoD is not handling business the way it should.

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

Great Idea. Let the new Messiah exercise his concept of justice.

Too bad the Bush Administration is so damned dumb as not to listen to you. AG Mukaskey just collapsed during a speech in DC. He was a good man. Don’t trust the rest of them, esp those in the Civil Rights Div.

Clinton destroyed the Dept. of Justice with help from his incompetent cronies Reno and Gorelick. Holder will just continue to destroy the internal security effectiveness of DOJ
I’ve been involved in the internal security fight for 40 years, and I have never seen us so disarmed in my life.

Damned, dig up J. Edgar Hoover, put him in a chair, and think like him We’d be a lot safer than with what we’ve got.

[piasa]

One reason is because they are part of ongoing investigations here and in other countries in the coalition. In other words, we haven't caught their "co-conspirators," or at least enough of them, to go to trial and what we do at a trial with these guys may hamstring us with people we catch later, or with people still under interrogation in other countries. We might need info from Witness and co-conspirator "M" to successfully prosecute a group but France is holding him and he is under investigation in a different case involving a different cell; meanwhile Singapore just found one of your supects is linked to a cell they are still trying to infiltrate... do you go ahead and prosecute even though it may cause investigations elsewhere to fail?

It's roughly the same reason you don't release prisoners of war before the war is over- they will just rejoin their buiddies and shoot at you again, and they can carry information back home with them such as who else you have captured, how you carried out interrogations, what they told you, camp layouts, your force status, and if they noticed supply or morale problems while in captivity.

There's also the problem that your covert agents will be called to testify; if so they risk exposure, which could ruin other investigations they are assigned to and perhaps even end their careers. You can choose not to present info obtained through these people as evidence in order to protect your sources, but it may fatally weaken your case. If you need their intel to make a case you can bet the defense team with want to call them up.

[piasa]

We probably have much more evidence on them, but the only evidence we can offer the civilian judge is limited. Other info may come from people we cannot risk losing and from technology or methods we cannot risk exposing.

For example, if they were involved in a cell that was trying to manufacture a certain type of bomb, or trying to rig a drone for use in a terror attack, they may be tied to an international network of arms suppliers that we are nowhere near ready to round up. We may be forced to let lesser fish escape the net in order to get in place to capture the school.

[sickoflibs]

Democrats won two elections by keeping everyones attention on GWB and attacking him from both sides, example : too soft on terrorists, to tough on them. It was pure cynical politics. This is what voters reward (I will say the GWB played the part perfectly) So we need to force democrats to keep their promises, even the bad ones (covertly as democrats) , then go after them for bad policies when we find that something that will alarm the public