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To: RKV
“Pius found a way to excuse himself from failing to speak out against fascism and the holocaust, so why should Benedict be different when it comes to abortion?”

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html

The idea that the Pius was in on it with Hitler or whatever was the creation of Soviet Agitprop in the 60’s. Read paragraph 4 of the above encyclical, delivered to Germany in 1937 by Pope Pius. William L. Shrier's book isn't addressed directly at this issue--as it wasn't dreamed of when he wrote it--but does shed a lot of light on the relation of church and state in general in Nazi Germany.

Pope Benedict already HAS spoken out against abortion at every opportunity, in Mexico, in Brazil, in the US, etc. Just as he spoke, as Cardinal Ratzinger, against “liberation theology” years ago and as a Vatican official basically banished it. I'm not a Catholic, so I might have this wrong, but it is my impression that each diocese is supposed to run mostly on its own and that the Vatican is not inclined to micromanage dioceses. Only if a diocses fails to properly deal with a grave mater after a time would it tend to intervene--the big bad church is too authoritarian and then even worse for not being authoritarian enough.

In closing, a word of wisdom: "To remedy these wrongs the socialists, working on the poor man's envy of the rich, are striving to do away with private property, and contend that individual possessions should become the common property of all, to be administered by the State or by municipal bodies. They hold that by thus transferring property from private individuals to the community, the present mischievous state of things will be set to rights, inasmuch as each citizen will then get his fair share of whatever there is to enjoy. But their contentions are so clearly powerless to end the controversy that were they carried into effect the working man himself would be among the first to suffer. They are, moreover, emphatically unjust, for they would rob the lawful possessor, distort the functions of the State, and create utter confusion in the community." Written in 1891 by Pope Leo, sounds like a speech by Reagan.

187 posted on 11/20/2008 6:17:58 PM PST by Jacob Morgan
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To: Jacob Morgan

You can skip all the verbiage. Simply put, I never said Pius was “in on it.” What I said was, that Pius lived through the war, when better men than him died fighting. Yeah he got lot’s of accolades from the Jews, because they didn’t risk their asses either. For my part, the soldier who risked his neck on Omaha beach or at Anzio or anywhere else in the war, did more than Pius, because they actually fought against the enemy. Then, after the war, when it is safe, Pius threatens to excommunicate Italian Catholics who vote Communist. Seems to me he shuts up when his ass is on the line, and talks big when he is safe. That equals cowardice in my book. YMMV.


188 posted on 11/20/2008 6:43:18 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Jacob Morgan

It’s hopeless. Don’t waste your time with this guy. Facts and argument mean nothing. He just likes talking to himself.


196 posted on 11/21/2008 4:58:45 AM PST by mick
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