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The Coming "War" Between the Obama Administration and the Catholic Church
LifeSiteNews ^ | 11/19/08 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 11/19/2008 3:56:29 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: big'ol_freeper

I sure don’t accept your judgment of that.


121 posted on 11/19/2008 5:48:06 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV

Your problem. Not mine.


122 posted on 11/19/2008 5:49:36 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (Gen. George S. Patton to Michael Moore... American Carol: "I really like slapping you.")
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To: wagglebee

When he publicly excommunicates Kennedy, Pelosi, Biden, et al, then I’ll take him seriously. Not before. Put up or shut up, Benedict. Won’t happen though.


123 posted on 11/19/2008 5:51:21 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Your ego, not mine.


124 posted on 11/19/2008 5:51:37 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Petronski

“52%—in exit polling!—is the new “all.”

Not all but enough; we do have a left-wing President Elect. The only chance for changing Roe/Wade would be one more non-liberal Supreme; that will not happen now. There is no other effective way to change the Supremes’ Roe/Wade rulling. It is almost certain that two additional pro-abortion Supremes will be added in the next four years.


125 posted on 11/19/2008 5:52:48 PM PST by boxer21
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To: RKV

The Truth of Christ is not ego. It is the absence there of.

Ego is believing one’s own personal magisterical interpretation of Holy Scripture is ordained in Heaven.

Later.


126 posted on 11/19/2008 5:57:18 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (Gen. George S. Patton to Michael Moore... American Carol: "I really like slapping you.")
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To: boxer21; Petronski
It is almost certain that two additional pro-abortion Supremes will be added in the next four years.

There are likely to be two NEW pro-abortion justices to replace CURRENT pro-abortion justices, there WILL NOT be two additional pro-abortion justices, there is a difference.

For what it's worth, I have always believed that Justice Kennedy will vote to overturn Roe if presented with the "right" case and Obama's pro-death crowd could easily put such a case before the Court.

127 posted on 11/19/2008 6:03:04 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: RKV
I am a Catholic but can appreciate the good Protestants who rebeled against their King on the issue of taxes in the American colonies.

A favorite quote from our foerbears that you must have forgotten: 2Samual 23:3 " He that ruleth over men must be just. Ruling in the fear of God" That particular quote was used time and again by Sam Adams and the Sons of Liberty to justify NOT PAYING TAXES TO AN UNJUST EVIL GOVERNMENT.

I am afraid that a man with your views in 1770 would have had a new suit of clothes of feathers and tar !

128 posted on 11/19/2008 6:04:40 PM PST by mick
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To: wagglebee

I stand corrected: I agree with your first paragraph.


129 posted on 11/19/2008 6:13:22 PM PST by boxer21
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130 posted on 11/19/2008 6:16:54 PM PST by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: EagleUSA
"Deep down, I think the “Obama administration” is in for a shocker when it comes to how many people REALLY (that really matter in the structure and function of our society) dislike the idea of Obama in the Oval Office."

Well, I hope so. I guess we will be living in 'interesting times' at any rate.

So many people basically accept what the press, especially television, portrays as being the truth, and the Obama family will certainly get the extra-special 'Kennedy' treatment.

I run into many mediocre thinkers who accept what big media says completely without thinking and obviously believe that what they are spouting are their own opinions, but they even use the television-style characterizations, word for word. They don't even know they have been brainwashed (or perhaps they don't care, but I would guess it's the former). So, I don't know that many are skeptical about Obama. We have let our education system decline so badly that many of our citizens are cosmically ignorant (and they actually think they know a lot, which is SO dangerous for our country). These are the Obamabots, and they are huge in number, IMHO.

131 posted on 11/19/2008 6:17:04 PM PST by Irene Adler (')
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To: PhiKapMom

I believe the Catholic Church feels the Democrat Party is the party of “social justice”, defenders of the downtrodden.


132 posted on 11/19/2008 6:26:32 PM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: Enterprise
"Limbaugh said today that Obama got half of the Catholic vote."

The surprising fact not taken into account by so many non-Catholics is that the Church is a Theocracy, not a Democracy. Even among the practicing members of the Church dogma is not established by consensus or vote. The Church is the extreme example of a deliberative body and was structured to NOT be responsive to the changing winds of popular opinion or politics.

Rest assured that the Church is moving in the right direction on this issue. I do find it a little disconcerting that the godless left has more faith in the Church fomenting change than so many people of faith do. Ask yourself why the left and the MSM protested so loudly when Benedict XVI was selected as the new Pope.

133 posted on 11/19/2008 6:30:50 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: RKV
I am afraid that your single bible verse and sola scripura interpretation is limiting your perspective.

A better view would be Matthew's account of this transaction (MT 22:15-22). Jesus did not say that we had to pay our taxes. He recognized the trap set up between two fundamental enemies --the Pharisees and the Herodians. His answer, "...repay to Caesar...." was merely His divine wisdom exercised to placate the question. Neither side was allowed any grievance with which to arrest Jesus. In today's world, we would call it 'walking the fine line'.

134 posted on 11/19/2008 6:37:52 PM PST by beancounter13
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To: wagglebee

“The Pope spoke out very forcefully against abortion when he was here this spring. Dozens of bishops spoke out during campaign.

There could have been a great deal of public backlash if a foreign head of state had appeared to publicly take sides in the election.”

Sorry - his silence regarding disciplining those Catholics, especially politicians, that defy Church teaching and the Scriptures speaks volumes. He remains quiet because it would have ramifications on attendance and income. He has spoken forcefully against other U.S. political issues such as the war. Why not now?


135 posted on 11/19/2008 6:39:54 PM PST by gscc
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To: RKV; wagglebee; pbear8

Short list of Pope Pius XII’s public anti-Nazi proclamations

Papal Encyclical “Summi Pontificatus” October 1939

New York Times 10/28/1939

Fall 1939- Allied aircraft dropped 88K copies of Summi Pontificatus over parts of Germany

1/19/1940 - Worldwide broadcast Vatican Radio and L’Osservatore Romano

January 1940 Jewish Advocate

January 1940 New York Times

January 1940 Manchester Guardian

March 14, 1940 New York Times

1940 Easter Homily

May 11, 1940 Public Speech

June 1942

10/1/1942 Lonton Times

Homily Christmas 1941

Homily Christmas 1942

This is a very very short list and does not include anything Pacelli did before he became Pope Pius XII.

It has been noted that when Pius made public statements the Nazis stepped up executions of Jews and Priests.

No, he never said anything. Same old crap.


136 posted on 11/19/2008 6:40:34 PM PST by Jaded
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To: MayflowerMadam
True persecution of people of faith could be on the horizon.

Our little church is expecting it.

137 posted on 11/19/2008 6:43:00 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Ingtar

I wonder if anyone has an idea of how many Catholics just didn’t vote?

It seems unreal that a higher percentage of Catholics total voted for Obama than for Bush.


138 posted on 11/19/2008 7:22:03 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: All

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/


139 posted on 11/19/2008 7:30:36 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray)
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To: big'ol_freeper

We already do. You don’t wanna know.


140 posted on 11/19/2008 7:31:18 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray)
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