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To: Exton1

The electoral college process was set up to separate the executive function from the legislative function. The electoral college also serves as the last sanity check before the winner of the election is made President of the US. If BO citzen status disqualifies him, the electoral college delegates at the instruction of the states they represent can elect anyone or no one. McCain will not be picked because the Dems won the election, thus Biden is the most logical choice but Clinton can lobby the states to instruct their delegates otherwise. In the mean time the swearing in is delayed and President Bush will remain in office till it is resolved. The tricky part is if BO is sworn in and his citizen status is revealed later. At that point only Congress can remove him by impeachment. If the Dem control Congress refuses, the US Constitution and our Republic will cease to exist.


5 posted on 11/17/2008 10:30:29 PM PST by Fee
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To: Fee

If BO is found to be Constitutionally ineligible AFTER the States have certified their results, then when the votes are counted in the Senate, both for President and Vice-President, BO’s will be ignored, and only Joe Biden will have a majority, and will be elected. The interesting thing here is that under the Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, in such a circumstance, John Mccain would become Vice-President.

Check out Article 2, Section 1. It’s a bit confusing, but clear enough.

If BO were to be found ineligible BEFORE the States certify their votes, then I agree, the States would generally be free (within the constraints of each State’s own laws) to instruct it electors how to vote.

There is NO circumstance here which could result in a delay to the swearing in of a new President.


20 posted on 11/17/2008 10:56:33 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: Fee
In the mean time the swearing in is delayed and President Bush will remain in office till it is resolved.

No, the Constitution, 20th amendment, states that if by January 20th, no President shall have qualified, then the Vice President, which would likely be Biden, would act as President.

If Obami is shown not to be qualified, nothing Good will come of it, other than his not becoming President, and thus the Constitution being upheld.

But as to events in the country at large, nothing good.

38 posted on 11/18/2008 12:11:43 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Fee

If Obama is unqualified, so is his running mate who was attached to him. If they attempted to foist Biden as legit,
all of Hillary’s voters and many Democrats would throw him out.


54 posted on 11/18/2008 1:12:20 PM PST by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: Fee
"...the US Constitution and our Republic will cease to exist."

Widespread use of the term democracy began with the Woodrow Wilson administration in 1912. It was during this administration that the anti-republican amendments -- the 16th (income tax) and 17th (popular election of senators) -- were added to our Constitution and a central bank -- the Federal Reserve -- was established. All three acts centralized power.

The day FDR was sworn in is the day it was solidified .

He destroyed our representative republic and turned into a legislative democracy.

With the implementation of FDR's "new deal" is the day the constitution started its nose dive down the path of destruction.

What will Obamarxs's new deal bring? It'll be the final nail in the coffin and the sheeple will rejoice once again, just like they did during FDR's infamous reign.

People like us will speak up, but the "majority" will be taken in by a smooth talking individual that will placate the sheeple will false promises. This individual will also play upon the sheeple's avarice. Those on public assistance will always vote for the one that promises them more and more from the government treasury.

I believe anyone on any kind of public assistance should not be able to vote at all. The reason being, as our forefathers stated:

"A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship."

Professor Alexander Fraser Tyler
[Emphasis mine]

Once they are off the dole and have been for at least 2 years and working, then they'd be able to once again vote.

""Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. The jaws of power are always open to devour, and her arm is always stretched out, if possible, to destroy the freedom of thinking, speaking, and writing. Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the People, who have... a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge, I mean the characters and conduct of their rulers. There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free 'government' ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty. Liberty cannot be preserved without general knowledge among people." "

John Adams

"The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and ... breaks up the foundations of society.”

Thomas Jefferson

"“The one pervading evil of democracy is the tyranny of the majority.”"

Lord (John Emerich Edward Dalberg) Acton

"A Democracy is the vilest form of Government there is."

Thomas Paine

"“The general object was to provide a cure for the evils under which the United States labored; that in tracing these evils to their origin, every man had found it in the turbulence and follies of democracy.”"

Edmund Randolph

"Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos."

John Marshall, chief Justice of the Supreme Court from 1801 to 1835

"At no time, at no place in solemn convention assembled, through no chosen agents, had the American people officially proclaimed the United States to be a democracy. The Constitution did not contain the word or any word lending countenance to it..."

Charles Austin Beard (1874-1948)

67 posted on 11/18/2008 7:01:46 PM PST by Mikey (Freedom isn't free, but slavery is.)
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