Posted on 11/16/2008 10:37:40 AM PST by SeekAndFind
“Repeating a defeated argument is pointless.”
Then why do you continue to do so?
If you’re side is “scientific” then let them do what other scientists do, or admit that what they are doing is something other than science.
(This is no different from saying “Republicans have to abide by the law but Democrats do not.” “McCain must release his birth certificate, but Hussein Obama does not — he can be held to a different standard, and to demand that he show his country of birth is to “repeat a defeated argument”. Sure. Whatever. Same form of argument, different content.)
Educated people like these that got their science degrees from MIT, Johns Hopkins and Princeton?
http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org
==I assume they also support teaching astrology alongside astronomy, alchemy alongside chemistry, magic alongside physics.
Actually, I’m kinda surprised they don’t, given the fact that they already teach Darwin’s fanciful creation myth along side all of them.
Make it a double feature with An Inconvenient Truth
Baiting is a rather poor posting practice and adds nothing to the thread.
We all know about your feelings on the matter. No need to screetch them out every time someone suggests Genesis isn't literal.
I do scratch my head and wonder if you are a Christian Scientist or something... since all modern drugs are created as a result of deep understanding of TToE, I assume you give them wide berth.
Because Creationism is religion and TToE is science. The fact some people don't understand this science doesn't change it.
Will you dictate which particular creation story will be taught in school, with the appropriate requirement the student believe in the deity behind said story? There are a nearly unlimited number of them.
You are really full of yourself aren’t you?!
Not really. But it is important that we soft out myths from facts when discussing science.
Which you know are not being taught in public schools.
That scrap is constantly being thrown to the non-evos as if they are stupid enough to be satisfied with it.
Besides, poll after poll demonstrates that parents are more than willing to have creation and ID taught in science classes alongside evolution. It's their tax money and their kids. Why shouldn't they be accommodated?
Why can't those who object to creation/ID just have their kids opt-out of that section of class for the day it would take to cover it, just like they may do for the sex ed section in health classes?
What we're objecting to is the control of education through the force and abuse of the judiciary through litigation. The will of the majority is being suppressed for no good reason.
The cry to teach creationism goes hand in hand with instituting Sharia law and is directly attributable to the growing Muslim population in (formerly) Great Britain.
Well we're fast on the exact same road in this country with godless NEA liberals demanding Christianity be stomped from the public from science class to no public display of faith and there will be a vacuum filled by zealots once your side succeeds.
Actually, I recall subjects like that being addressed in the public school I attended but they were compared to what science knew then and it was explained why it was either disproved by science (alchemy), or why scientists didn't believe it was true (astrology and magic).
For all the concern about what the teaching of creation would do to the academics of a school, there is no precedent for the fear that it would make it worse. Private Christian schools and homeschools (which largely teach creation along with evolution) consistently outperform public schools in standardized testing and SAT/ACT scores. There's simply no basis for that concern.
Make it a double feature with An Inconvenient Truth
No thanks...you keep the godless NEA liberals on your side. Right where they belong. No matter how far you bury your head in the sand Oztrich boy.
Likewise, science should be categorized as a religion. It has NO good explanation of origins; how the first life form came into being.
Essentially it's, somewhere between chemical soup and the first cell, we have *here a miracle occurs*.
because they are not analogous.
While those are interesting, they aren't particularly applicable. TToE has directly led to many advances in the biological sciences.
I'll bite. Which ones?
I keep hearing about the development of antibiotics, but IIRC the first realization of what penicillin could do was through an accident in the lab.
Plus an understanding of the the physiology of the cell and chemical properties of the cell is what is useful in antibiotic development, not how it got there.
I spoke to someone who was doing research in developing new medicines to combat infections. Some bacteria defeat antibiotics by clumping together, thus protecting the inner cells from exposure to the anti-biotic. The lines of research are on substances that defeat the chemical substances that cause the clumping. How would an understanding of evolution relate to defeating the clumping process as much as the understanding of the nature of the chemicals involved and their production by the cells?
Scientists really blew their chance of proving the ToE's usefulness in regards to antibiotics themselves. Antibiotics were used indiscriminately for years. The only opponents of widespread, irresponsible antibiotic use were the natural health people, who were sneered at and poo-pooed.
When the antibiotic resistant bacteria started showing up, the medical community reacted in such a way that indicated that they were blind-sided by this development; a development that should have been predicted from the very beginning. One that should have been foreseen to the point where doctors prescribed antibiotics with the same reticence with which they do now.
Thank you for pointing out TToE in action. It is MDs, nor Rx researchers who over-used antibiotics -- the "medical community" is far from monolithic.
Everything from Metphormin and Glucophage to Plaxin to the enw generation of Cancer-fighting chemotherapy drugs and virtually all modern medication is a result of detailed understanding of TToE.
It may seem like baiting to you, but I am quite serious.
==We all know about your feelings on the matter.
Who is “we all.” I honestly don't recall ever bumping into you in the threads.
==all modern drugs are created as a result of deep understanding of TToE
LOL!
Vaccination: Discovered by a Creation Scientist.
Antisepsis: Discovered by a Creation Scientist.
Germ theory of disease: Developed by a Creation Scientist.
Antibiotics: Co-Discovered by an outspoken anti-Darwinist.
Insulin: First Discovered by a Creation Scientist.
Indeed, Creationists have not only made some of the greatest discoveries in the history of science and medicine, they also founded many scientific disciplines that remain largely unchanged to this very day.
You’ll have to do better than that.
Names and citations, please.
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