No So Fast! How about that citizenship “President-elect” Obama?

The Independent View ^ | November 15, 2008 | By Matthew Weaver

[library user]

A new challenge to Senator Barack Obama’s citizenship was filed November 12th in California demanding that the court stop certification of the election results until the state’s secretary of state can ascertain from Senator Obama his legal qualification to be a candidate for President.  This 18 page petition is a quick read.  It offers a good summary of what is at stake and the questions that surround Senator Obama’s citizenship.

A few points:

• Petitioners Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes, Dr. Wiley S. Drake, Sr., and Markham Robinson, establish their standing to file the petition as members of the American Independent Party, for which Drs. Keyes and Drake were presidential and vice-presidential candidates on California’s ballot, respectfully.  (This is a technical point that doomed some other lawsuits.)
  
  
• Petitioners note that Senator Obama has not provided proof of his citizenship eligibility despite repeated requests during the primary and general election campaigns.
  
  
• Petitioners note that action in at least 10 states is underway challenging Senator Obama’s eligibility.
   
• Petitioners note that the 2007 birth certificate offered by Senator Obama is of questionable credibility for several reasons, including that it is a copy of suspect authenticity and that it does not detail actual birth location.
  
  
• Petitioners note that the only person claiming witness to Senator Obama’s birth is his own paternal grandmother who claims he was actually born in Kenya, then the British East African Protectorate of Zanzibar.  Other records and recollections of family members suggest either Queens Hospital or Kapiolani Hospital in Hawaii.  The disclosed Registry of Live Birth is a short-form of the birth certificate that does not state whether Obama was born in Hawaii or that his birth was subsequently registered there within the year following birth as then allowed by state law.
   
• Petitioners note that around 1967, Senator Obama moved to Indonesia with his mother and new stepfather.  Records indicate that once in Indonesia he adopted his stepfather’s name and citizenship.  Since dual citizenship was not allowed by Indonesian law, and U.S. law and treaty obligations required respect of this, Mrs. Obama-Soetoro had to relinquish her minor son’s U.S. citizenship.  Elsewhere, they note that if he later recovered it, and no records apparently substantiate this, it would by law be as a “naturalized” citizen, not a “natural born” and, thus, ineligible for the office of President under the Constitution.
  
  
• Petitioners also note that in 1961 what is now known as Kenya was then the British Protectorate of Zanzibar which, if he was born there as his paternal grandmother claims, he would be a British citizen based on his father’s citizenship.
   
• Petitioners also note that in 1981 Senator Obama traveled to Pakistan, which was then banned by the U.S.  Since he could not legally travel with a U.S. passport, they question whether he used  one of his other passports:  Indonesian, Kenyan, or British.  (Interesting point is that the petitioners state affirmatively that he had other passports.)

I am curious to see how this case fares in the courts.  The question of Senator Obama’s citizenship and constitutional eligibility have never been settled.  In fact, Senator Obama has resisted at every step to release his birth certificate and other relevant records that would resolve this matter.  That he has fought this suggests the information is at least embarrassing, if not disqualifying.

On August 14, 2008, I wrote a detailed article, What is Obama’s Citizenship?, where I explored some of the questions about Senator Obama’s citizenship.  I asked eight questions (seven pertinent to this discussion) that are still substantially unanswered today:

1. Are you now a U.S. citizen?
    
2. Have you ever held as a youth or adult, citizenship in another country?
    
3. Did you ever possess or travel using, at least in part, the passport of another country?  (E.g., while in Indonesia, visiting Pakistan, Kenya)
   
   
4. Did you renounce any foreign citizenship, and when, and do you now hold solely U.S. citizenship today?
    
5. Can you confirm or deny your name change as a youth from Barack Hussein Obama II to Barry Soetoro when you were adopted by your step-father?
    
6. Did you legally reclaim your birth name?  When and how?
    
7. Why did you not list your adopted name Barry Soetoro on any forms associated with your legal profession or others that ask for any other names you have ever used?  Have you now or will you update these records?

In regards to questions 1-4, Senator Obama’s own Web site says he was, through his father, a British citizen and that this British/Kenya citizenship “automatically expired August 4, 1982.”  That it “expired” doesn’t explain if he had passports and used them, nor does it address his potential Indonesian citizenship or how these were reconciled with his U.S. citizenship, especially where laws and treaties prohibited dual citizenship.

So, when will we see proof that Senator Obama is or is not a constitutionally eligible citizen?  Before or after he takes office?  As Keyes et al note, the latter will cause “irreparable harm in that an usurper will be sitting as the President of the United States, and none of the treaties, laws, or executive orders signed by him will be valid or legal.”

[Canedawg]

I suspect that one of the main reasons The Fraud hasn’t released any medical or school records is that they contain information as to his true place of birth, among other damaging info, which may include psychological conditions he may have complained of, and other personal info he doesnt want disseminated.

[hsrazorback1]

Yes, the ticket was HUSSEIN-Plugs, but Plugs was along for the ride after he was picked by HUSSEIN.

Which begs the question: should HUSSEIN be found ineligible to be POTUS, then what makes his pick for VP eligible?

[Waco]

If he is unqualified, will hilary just chuckle. chuckle and go bake some cookies?

[hsrazorback1]

Wow, 17 lawsuits in 12 states for HUSSEIN to prove his eligibility.

So, I wonder how long the MSM can keep their collective fingers in each other’s ears? Rush gave it a brief mention once, but hasn’t breathed a word of it again. I wonder if HUSSEIN’s machine got to him, too?

[gotribe]

I sure hope I have enough popcorn to last through the coming Depression, because this is going to get interesting.

The food rioters will be shouting “He’s No American!”

[mick]

Of course not. But I don’t know this Calero guy.......
But my point about boyBO is that we face a dangerous situation if it turns out he wasn’t qualified.....holy crap, then what ??......better to turn a blind eye for now and beat this bum on the ground in 2010. I know that may sound to you like a weak response, and maybe it is.....but we are weak today....we just got our ass kicked......but we have to preserve what’s left of our forces to fight another day....and not waste good resources on a suicide chagre.

[TerrisFriend]

Shouldn’t Allen Keyes be pursuing a lawsuit in EVERY STATE he was on the ballot? I do not have a lot of legal knowledge am wondering why he chose California to start this process. Is is because of the number of Electoral votes at stake in California? I know Keyes was on the ballot here in Missouri. It seems like the path toward getting the Supreme Court to hear the case might be clearer if there Keys has multiple cases in the works in different parts of the Country. Anyone know??? As for this being a waste of time, what else do we have to do right now? It is paramount that Republicans/Conservatives get the luster of the halo surrounding Obama off of him. We may not be able to stop him from taking office, but he needs to be a one-term President!

[hoosierham]

Well,I AM perfectly willing to have Obama prevented from taking or holding office in violation of clearly defined Constitutional rules.

This nation coped with Nixon resigning,an unelected President Ford,and can cope this.

[hsrazorback1]

For the sake of publicity, I would have started in either CA or FL, too.

[cripplecreek]

??......better to turn a blind eye for now and beat this bum on the ground in 2010.

Once again, that tactic worked so well in dealing with ACORN fraud. We screamed about it for years and it finally bit us. Yet by some kind of magic they will disappear before 2010.

[mountainlion]

The rats are such liars and Hippocrates.
Huh? They are a well-known ancient Greek?

That is what spell check told me.

[mick]

Agree with you on that one.....but that's a different venue....although here in Jersey, Acorn are the ‘Johnnys come lately’...the dems have political corruption and voter fraud honed to a mirror finish.

[troy McClure]

Wouldnt it make the election null and void and require a new election? Due to fraud by Hussein's Party?

[LucyT]

Thanks, FlashBack, appreciate the ping. You're right about all the threads popping up! They're interesting to read because once in a while someone posts valuable information. I'd ping The List, but I hate to bother everyone unless the case moves forward.

The proliferation of BC threads reminds me of Dandelions in Spring! They're all over the place, and while everyone keeps trying to get rid of the problem, no one has been very successful thus far.

[Faith]

Ping for truth to be revealed.

[Pravious]

“Yes, but if one of them is a backslidden patriot (who might have a pro-America revival) I’d bet on Biden. I don’t think there’s a patriot bone in Hussein’s body to begin with.”

I agree. Biden’s a disgusting liberal cretin, with an ego the size of Delaware and a terminal case of foot-in-mouth disease.

But I’m willing to accept that he’s an American and genuinely does not want to destroy our country.

Can’t say the same thing about BHO.

[Kevmo]

This is not a “technicality” in the constitution. It was put in there by the founding fathers as a protection against disloyal interests gaining the presidency. Anyone who knows two cents’ worth of information about Obama knows that this thing our founding fathers feared is now coming true.

I simply cannot believe my freeping eyes. Free Republic was started as a CONSTITUTIONALIST website. You posers make me sick.

[eyedigress]

If that Community Organizer is deemed ineligible he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of rigged presidential election laws. The Supreme Court would have their hands full on this. (BTW I don’t see it happening)

[Matthew Weaver]

IF Berg has these and can show this he has done a great disservice to everyone by not simply publishing the relevant documents.

[Matthew Weaver]

IF Berg has the medical records he has done everyone a great disservice by not publishing the relevant pages that would show that Obama was not born in the US.