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To: freepersup; bvw

Have you read the story? It is a horrible attempt at journalism filled with “could haves”, “might haves” and “possibly”. Freeper bvw did an excellent analysis of the article which appears in the long thread which started July 3,2008.”The Honolulu Advertiser” even states the birth announcement appeared in the August, 17th, 1961 edition of the paper when it can plainly be seen that the date was Sunday, August, 13, 1961. It also says the one line item when it was actually two lines. They ignored Jr’s own words in his book which appear on page 39 telling of the walking tours taken when his father visited in 1971, and I quote:”During our walking tours we went past the first home my grandparents lived in when they moved to Hawaii, a house I didn’t know about, the one before University Ave.” The house on the highway was 14 miles roundtrip fom the apartment on Beretania St. and it would have been impossible for Sr to walk 14 miles to view the “first home the Dunhams lived in when they moved to Hawaii in 1960” as he was recovering from a car accident in which he had injured his leg and was using a cane at the time. “The Honolulu Advertiser” also leads its readers to believe that Ann Dunham was living in Hawaii from the time of Jr’s birth when we know she was in WA state by the third week of August and remained there until 1963. The article which appeared in “The Honolulu Advertiser” is one of the worst examples of journalism I have ever read! Also “The Honolulu Advertiser” ignores the words of Rep Neil Abercrombie who said he often encountered Stanley and little Barry going for walks which would have been impossible considering Abercrombie lives close to the Beretania St apartment. Please also note that the article says Nani Smethurst has owned the property since 1979 which belies the assessor’s website mentioning a sale in 1992 and another sale in 1995. Finally going to Zillow the description given says the property is a 5 bedroom, 2 bathroom. The area is extremely high priced located along the ocean side of the island, too high priced even for a furniture salesman and his working wife, or for a struggling pair of university students!


1,362 posted on 11/16/2008 12:00:18 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: Chief Engineer; freepersup

I think you mean http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2040486/posts?q=1&;page=6201#6248, Chief.


1,366 posted on 11/16/2008 12:10:25 PM PST by bvw
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To: Chief Engineer

“Please also note that the article says Nani Smethurst has owned the property since 1979 which belies the assessor’s website mentioning a sale in 1992 and another sale in 1995.”

Read posts 1278 and 1282 more carefully. Apparently, a fee was paid in 1995 in connection with a permit for a fence:
From post 1278:
Date Amount Reason for Permit Permit No

12/14/1995 $7,755 FENCE 380886

From post 1282:
Sales

Instrument Date Sale Amount Instrument # Instrument Type Recordation Date Land Court Doc# Certificate Number Book/Page

02/16/1995 9500053215 FEE CONVEYANCE 04/21/1995 /
10/26/1992 9200203913 FEE CONVEYANCE 12/15/1992 /

Thus, the “fee conveyance” apparently refers to the payment of this fence fee rather than a sale of the property.


1,378 posted on 11/16/2008 12:26:44 PM PST by DrC
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To: Chief Engineer
Have you read the story?

Which story?

The reported multiple sales (1992 & 1995) of 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy, on the assessor's website may in fact be refinancing transactions, where a note was paid off. Perhaps to pay for remodeling. Assessors often do not go into detail about transactions. The documents and the pertinent details are filed and noted for the record, where they can be found.

I don't know much about Zillow, but the assessor's data is likely to be accurate as to the time of input. A remodel may have produced another bedroom, or the homeowner or Realtor may be declaring a study or other suitable room as a bedroom now. Plus, the assessor didn't list the original sale, or any subsequent sale until 1992. That is probably about the time that they went digital, or has something to do with the demarcation line as to when the cutoff for entering data digitally began, or... someone is intentionally omitting the data. There would have been handwritten cards, then possibly micro fiche for record keeping, until the digital age came along. One could check other addresses in the area, to see if there is a consistency to the data being entered or lack there of, time wise.

There was another address revealed in the Maui TV News article: 1427 Alexander St., Apt # 110. Apparently, the Dunhams moved into the apartment after leaving the luxury digs. Did you catch that address in the read? Here's what I've got as far as the addresses go: 1- 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy (Dunhams/Obamas with cottage house in rear) 1a- 625 11th Ave., St. Louis Heights Sec. (BHO Sr's home) 2- 1427 Alexander St., Apt. # 110 (Dunham's) 3- 2277 Kamehameha Ave. (Dunham's large home) 4- 2234 University Ave. (Dunham's modest home) 5- 1617 Beretania St. Apts. (Madelyn Dunham's home for 40 years) Please comment...

1,385 posted on 11/16/2008 12:42:44 PM PST by freepersup (!)
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