Constitutional crisis looming over Obama's birth location

World Net Daily ^ | 11/14/08 | Bob Unruh

[jamese777]

Where does it say that Barack Hussein Sr wanted his race designated as African? It says nothing about who wanted his race designated as African.

You said that Barack Obama Sr was the one who wanted his race designated as African.

I don’t get it.

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What I said was that Janice Okubo, the spokesperson for the Hawaii Health Department when she was questioned about the designator “African” said that Hawaii has always allowed the parents to designate their race on birth certificates.
I went back and checked and actually it was another spokesperson for the Hawaii Health Department, a guy named Kurt Tsue who said that the parents choose their own race.
Here’s a link to the statement, its in the 21st paragraph that begins with the words “Update, August 26...”
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Hawaii is so multiracial and multicultural that the state would be in trouble choosing racial identifiers for its residents.
Therefore if it says “African” under the father’s race, that’s because Barack Hussein Obama Senior told them to put “African.”

[itsahoot]

I thought the scans at factcheck were pretty good.

They are excellent, in fact all the complaints about the original, but fake that was previously posted, were corrected.

[Chief Engineer]

pa mom is completely ignoring the fact that place of birth is NOT mentioned in the birth announcement!

[itsahoot]

I always dreamed of a president whose religion is listed as Islam.

Well the current one has proclaimed it the religion of peace, not to mention inviting Imams to participate in prayers, celebrating Ramadan ........

[thesetruths]

Yeah, he’s extremely wishy-washy on religion.

[hoosiermama]

Did you do the research on the birth announcement and the residence listed? Wouldn't the court house (Registrar's Office) have a listing of all owners of the property, so we can see who owned it at the time of birth?

[jamese777]

You’re saying that this claim ..
Janice Okubo the Director of Communications for the Hawaii Department of Health explained why the Certification of Live Birth says “African” months ago

.. is verified within the statute you referenced only by pointing to that bogus photoshopped nonsense ?

And that ‘seal’ was made with what ? cousin Mikey’s secret decoder ring, long worn down from sharing with the neighborhood kids ?

Even assuming the statute cite is correct, a link looks like this:

< a href=http://blahblah.blah > poke here < /a href >

Where blahblah.blah points to an actual page to substantiate your claim.

Gimme a f’n break

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The people involved are alive and they all work for the Republcan Governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle (who endorsed and campaigned for John McCain). The director of the Health Department, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the Registrar of Vital Statistics, Alvin T. Onaka, and the two health department spokespersons, Janice Okubo and Kurt Tsue can all be subpoenaed and placed under oath in a court of law if any of the Obama birth certificate cases gets that far.
Don’t kill the messenger!

[MayflowerMadam]

Speaking of religion, I’m wondering what Christmas in USA will be like in 2009. I think I read/heard that Hussein and family don’t celebrate birthdays and Christmas to any degree — don’t exchange gifts, etc. I wonder if Christmas will be legal in ‘09.

[danamco]

I don’t agree with him, but I do think he was legitimately elected and eligible to serve.

Why don't you answer the important question about the Constitution???

[itsahoot]

Look, if you guys want an amen chorus on this thread, that’s fine. I’ll shut up

My question is, why are you here on this thread, looking for love in all the wrong places? What is your goal? The only point I see in your posts is misdirection?

[itsahoot]

I’m assuming the media still performs for profit, not political bias

You indeed assume too much. The media is controlled with foreign money, since no one here seems interested in paying for their tripe.

[Chief Engineer]

It would take a title search to have that done, I read the articles which “The Honolulu Advertiser” published to find out the addresses for the principles and had some discussions with a Freeper who lived on Ohau and drove taxi there in the 70’s. According to the Freeper the area listed on the birth announcement is a very high priced area which is more often owned by snow birds and since it is on the water side of the island an extremely desirable area too expensive for a furniture salesman and his bank working wife! The Freeper also said that 7 miles is considered a very long way in Hawaii. I went to google maps and started plugging in the addresses after putting the University as the main point. At the end I plugged in the birth announcement address of 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy and it showed plainly the distance from the addresses of: 2277 Kamehameha Ave.(1st home for the Dunhams according to Jr)
2234 University Ave.(home Jr remembered)
1617 S. Beretania St (apt of Dunhams after Ann went to Idonesia)
Atherton Y.M.C.A. where Sr lived when he first arrived
625 11th Ave. small single story house Sr lived in until leaving Hawaii June 22,1962
I invite you to do the same and the map speaks for itself. Make sure you plug in the ba address last as google has been playing games with it! I sure wish Hawaii had easier spelled names!

[MHGinTN]

Do you even know what it means when someone says you're using circular reasoning? ... Therefore if it says “African” under the father’s race, that’s because Barack Hussein Obama Senior told them to put “African.” Surely you realize how absurd that is! You jump people for making assumptions, but that assertion is so layered with assumptions that it is absurd! Can't Barry get better henchdudes?

[MHGinTN]

Are you aware of Fukino’s past association with the Communist party a few decades back, and her knowing Obama Senior? And you make these named people sound like they were hired by Lingle. One was, the others preceded her.

[jamese777]

“Do you even know what it means when someone says you’re using circular reasoning? ... Therefore if it says “African” under the father’s race, that’s because Barack Hussein Obama Senior told them to put “African.” Surely you realize how absurd that is! You jump people for making assumptions, but that assertion is so layered with assumptions that it is absurd! Can’t Barry get better henchdudes?”

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I was paraphrasing Kurt Tsue of the Hawaii Department of Health. It was his statement, not mine. If his statement is circular reasoning to you, so be it.
Here’s what he said in response to the question why was Barack Hussein Obama Sr.’s race listed as “African” on the COLB, and I quote: “we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be.”
Your argument is with him, not with me.

[solfour]

Don’t take it personally, gramps. 8-)

[Flamenco Lady]

Whoever checked out the address on the birth announcement might also be able to find out who the owner of record for the property was in 1961. Those records should be publically available through the county records in Hawaii. Here in Oregon they have them stored on microfiche. I would assume there is something similar used in Hawaii for those records.

[jamese777]

“Are you aware of Fukino’s past association with the Communist party a few decades back, and her knowing Obama Senior? And you make these named people sound like they were hired by Lingle. One was, the others preceded her.”

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I am aware that all Hawaii Health Department officials serve at the pleasure of Governor Lingle and that Chiyome Fukino, MD was appointed to her position as Hawaii’s Health Department Director in 2002 by Governor Lingle.
I have no knowledge of Dr. Fukino’s past associations.

[danamco]

They could have gotten him naturalized as soon as possible and he would have all the benefits of a citizen.

1961, hmmmm???

From 1980 it took me three (3) years to become a legal alien. Then 5 years to become "Naturalized", hello!!!

[little jeremiah]

Thanks, and so if the COLB is not forged, you are likely correct, unless someone else chose “African” for Obama Sr. Since “African” is not a race, and not a country, but a continent. It’s like someone putting “European”. Or “North American”. Why didn’t he put “Kenyan”?