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To: TCH
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) 1633 Published controversial work on solar system. No proofs of sun-centered system. Telescope discoveries did not indicate moving earth. His proof based on tides was invalid. He ignored Kepler’s elliptical orbits. Put Pope’s argument in mouth of simpletons, offending his old friend. Forbidden to teach sun-centered system. Did useful theoretical work on dynamics. Expressly said the Bible cannot err. Saw his system as alternate interpretation of biblical texts.

In 1616 the Inquisition warned Galileo not to hold or defend the hypothesis asserted in Copernicus' On the Revolutions, though it has been debated whether he was admonished not to 'teach in any way' the heliocentric theory.

Despite his continued insistence that his work in the area was purely theoretical, despite his strict following of the church protocol for publication of works (which required prior examination by church censors and subsequent permission), and despite his close friendship with Maffeo Barberini who later became Pope Urban VIII and presided throughout the ordeal, Galileo was forced to recant his views repeatedly and was put under life-long house arrest (1633-1642).

The Inquisition had rejected earlier pleas by Galilei to postpone or relocate the trial because of his ill health. At a meeting presided by Pope Urban VIII, the Inquisition decided to notify Galilei that he either had to come to Rome or that he would be arrested and brought there in chains. Galileo arrived in Rome for his trial before the Inquisition on February 13, 1633. After two weeks in quarantine, Galilei was detained at the comfortable residence of the Tuscan ambassador, as a favor to the influential Grand Duke Ferdinand II de' Medici. In April 1633 he was formally interrogated by the Inquisition. He was not imprisoned in a dungeon cell, but detained in a room in the offices of the Inquisition for 22 days.

On June 22, 1633, the Roman Inquisition started its trial against Galilei, who was then 69 years old and pleaded for mercy, pointing to his "regrettable state of physical unwellness". Threatening him with torture, imprisonment and death on the stake, the show trial forced Galileo to "abjure, curse and detest" his work and to promise to denounce others who held his prior viewpoint. Galileo did everything the church requested him to do. (The idea that he muttered Eppur si muove! - "But it moves anyway!" - is a legend.) That the threat of torture and death Galileo was facing was a real one had been proven by the church in the earlier trial against Giordano Bruno, who was burned at the stake in 1600 for holding a naturalistic view of the Universe [emphasis added].

Galileo was sentenced to prison but because of his advanced age was allowed to serve his term under house arrest at his villas in Arcetri and Florence. Because of a painful hernia, he requested permission to consult physicians in Florence, which was denied by Rome, warning that further such requests would lead to imprisonment. Under arrest, he was forced to recite penitentiary psalms regularly, and his social contacts were highly restricted, but he was allowed to continue his less controversial research and publish under strict rules of censorship. He went totally blind in 1638 (his petition to the Inquisition to be released was rejected, but he was allowed to move to his house in Florence where he was closer to his physicians). His Dialogue was put on the Index librorum prohibitorum, a black list of banned books, until 1822. Source

That sure sounds like the church supported science, eh? What a joke!

Since The Enlightenment we don't have to kowtow to the shamans and what they think of science, and I wish you fundamentalists would learn that.

79 posted on 11/15/2008 12:20:18 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman; TCH

Coyote you are a shaman for the ape-to-man fantasy religion


80 posted on 11/15/2008 12:33:17 PM PST by valkyry1 (McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: Coyoteman

I stated Galileo’s work was controversial, and for reasons more to do with his methods, lack of theoretical proofs, and his personality. Your argument is grasping at straws.

More revealing is a lack of rebuttal to the other men of science. How will you attempt to discredit them? I stand in awe of your vast intellectual prowess... not.

(Sound of deafening silence)


81 posted on 11/15/2008 12:35:04 PM PST by TCH (Another redneck clinging to guns and religion)
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To: Coyoteman

Your so-called rebuttal against the Catholic Church, Inquisition, et al, did nothing to discredit the central point that Galileo Galilei believed in God. His FAITH is the gestalt of this argument. You think your intellect superior over we dwarfs holding to religious “superstition”... and yet, I show you men of renowned intellect AND ACCOMPLISHMENT, men who demonstrated their belief in the Divine, their unshakable faith in the active hand of the omni-present, omni-prescient, omni-potent Godhead.

Sir, you cannot obliterate belief, faith, or conviction from men of good will. Only against those minds not yet formed, or against those whom have voluntarily surrendered their free will to evil inclinations, are you so able to attack and pervert to darkness. This explains why individuals of your ilk relentlessly target the most innocent… our children.

Sir, you hate God, and you despise men, whom He created in His image. While yet pretending to enlighten men’s minds, you seduce them into indifference and moral relativism.

Sir, you in fact desire to replace God’s salving grace with your own brand, which is neither saving nor grace. Your ilk has condemned men to slavery every since the Fall of Man in the Garden of Eden. Your words are no different than those clever lies of the wily serpent the devil; he who was Lucifer the Angle of Light, but is now Satan the prince of darkness. He, thinking his intellect superior to God’s, and believing in his own existence outside of God, rebelled against God his creator for reason of pride in created attributes: beauty and intelligence… the very gift of superior intellect given him by God, he abused; the very same gift present day atheists claim for themselves apart from God. Those who abuse the gift of intellect are reserved to the deepest depths of Hell, because that gift is close to God. Therefore the anticedent serves as a just punishment: They will be condemned to spend eternity closest to their chosen leader. Take heed, friend. You risk eternity.


84 posted on 11/15/2008 1:17:06 PM PST by TCH (Another redneck clinging to guns and religion)
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