Posted on 11/14/2008 12:29:37 PM PST by atlbelle44
I think there are more here than you know reading and willing to stand up for our constitution. I am praying for the truth to be told and am very glad that Alan Keyes did what he did. I don’t believe that BO is a natural born citizen and I hope and pray that we will resolve this before December 15. Thank you all for your info and I and all the people I know are willing to do what ever needs to be done, be done. Although I have never protested before, I can’t think of a better thing to protest, but our Constitution. My ancestors have been in this wonderful country since the 1670’s and have fought every war to protect our freedom. This has to be done. It will be the unraveling of our country if he is not NBC and we will all pay for this negligence of our courts and government to let this go.
I was going to just read but had to let all know that I am just one more who cares!!
Nope, he was born "too late". IOW, he wasn't old enough. A disqualification is a disqualification, be it based on age, residency, or status as a natural born citizen.
His certification of birth shows he was born in Colon Panama. But that's irrellevant. What's important is that both of his parents were US Citizens at the time. That is enough to make him a Natural Born Citizen. And was at that time as well as now.
Someone born to non citizens on a US Military base (it happens) is not a citizen at birth. If only one parent is a US Citizen, then there are rules, based in law, that determine citizenship at birth. Obama's mother did not meet the criteria, and he would only be a US citizen at birth if he was born in the US. It all comes down to that. It's easy to prove, if one has a certified copy of the birth certificate. A hard copy, not a web image to present. Obama has declined to present such a hard copy to anyone who is challenging his status. One can only speculate why, but the most obvious reason is.. well.. obvious.
They are bound to vote for the individuals on that ticket, which is not quite the same thing. I expect though that there are "outs" in those laws. For example, what if the person dies between the popular election and the EC vote? Must they vote for the dead guy? I doubt it. Or the person could have a stroke, be totally incapacitated, would they still have to vote for her? I would think that the wording of each particular state's laws would determine if they could vote for someone else should the candidate that they were pledged to be found to be ineligible.
Many titles, President, Governor, Senator and Ambassador, remain with the person, as a form of address. We unfortunately still refer to President Carter, for example.
“You stated that the “FFs borrowed LIBERALLY from the Magna Carta and English Common Law” whereas I would say that the “FFs borrowed EXTENSIVELY from the Magna Carta and English Common Law.” We wouldn’t want to inadvertently taint the Founding Fathers, now, would we?”
Touche, touche ...
"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress:".
The states are partners in the election process. They conduct the popular elections and then certify the electoral votes sent to the President of the Senate. This speaks to both tasks. Selecting the electors, (IOW, was an elector pledged to an ineligible candidate properly chosen? And if so, must they cast their vote for that ineligible candidate?) and secondly, should the SoS see to that only persons eligible for the office get his/her states' electoral votes.
Not anything, the House must pick from the top three electoral vote getters. Problem is, there were only two. Their "choice" would come down to McCain, or McCain.
Not if you spun it as a wonderful example of American Democracy At Work. Then you'd get an award, even if the movie was a bust at the box office.
AMBASSADOR DR ALAN KEYES VS. CALIFORNIA SECRETARY OF STATE DEBRA BOWEN
FYI
It is, because it does not matter. McCain was a citizen at birth because *both* of his parents were citizens, residing on a US Military base.
But if you have an image of his birth certificate, with the signature of the attending physician and all that, by all means post it. I believe it shows that the citizenship of both of his parents was "U.S.", which is sufficient to make him a citizen at birth.
Because birth certificates can be amended upon adoption. Sometimes teh short form, IOW the Certification of Live Birth, is all even the person themselves can get, the original BC is sealed to hide the identity of the birth parents, and not incidentally the family health history from the person adopted. Probably not in this case, since his mother still was "around" at that point. However a foreign born child adopted in the US will get a US birth Certificate, but it will still show the foreign place of birth.
No, but many state laws do.
“Not anything, the House must pick from the top three electoral vote getters. Problem is, there were only two. Their “choice” would come down to McCain, or McCain.”
Since the Electoral college hasn’t convened yet, there are zero vote getters so far. Actually Hillary still has a shot and should join Keyes in this suit. She certainly has standing also.
Some of us can multitask. We are paying attention to the 3 Senate races that are "at risk", two of which are awaiting recounts, a third having gone to a runoff. What do you expect those of us outside those three states to DO? Given that unlike the other side, we have jobs that we must go to and/or do.
But most likely in this case their votes would not be so fragmented that the election went to the other side. The DNC would likely see that they were well informed about who the new and approved Democrat candidate was.
That one was changed in the mid 1980s. When Obama was born, it was 10 years, and 5 of those had to be after the age of 14. Now it's 5 years with 2 over the age of 14.
Some of the other criteria have also changed since '61. But if Obama was born in Kenya, or any other country than the US, his mother could not transfer citizenship by birth to him, because she was only 18, and barely that, so had not lived in the US for 5 years after age 14.
OTOH, if he was born in Hawaii, he is a natural born citizen.
Sarah takes full responsibility and is handling the "hate" with gusto and aplomb!
Obama broke the "rules" in re Democrat party unwrittens: He wasn't supposed to hit the "equality" femme. Why, that just wouldn't be fair...
Democrats and MSM pull their punches in re their own "party" girls; but Dems and MSM do not hold back when it comes to punching Republican females.
Yes, properly, he should be referred to as:
"The Communist Peanut Farmer."
-or-
"The worst president in US history."
Quite true, although state laws against "unfaithful" electors are problematic. Still I would hope there are "exceptions" for candidates unable to serve, dead candidates, and so forth.
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