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Democrats at work to tap bailout for automakers(maybe republicans can learn from pain)
yahoo ^ | November 13,2008 | KEN THOMAS, Associated Press Writer Ken Thomas, Associated Press Writer – 5 mins ago

Posted on 11/13/2008 11:03:49 AM PST by sickoflibs

WASHINGTON – Congressional Democrats are marshaling support for a rescue package to pump $25 billion in emergency loans to U.S. automakers in exchange for a government ownership stake in Detroit's car companies.

That may lead them into a showdown with Republicans ..

Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, and Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., are developing legislation that would let the auto industry tap into the $700 billion Wall Street rescue money, approved by Congress last month, to fund their business operations.

General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC are lobbying Congress to approve the aid, citing an economic downturn that has choked off auto sales, frozen credit and made them vulnerable. GM, the nation's largest automaker, posted a $2.5 billion quarterly loss Friday and has predicted it could run out of cash by the end of the year without government help.

House Republican leader John Boehner of Ohio said Thursday he would oppose an auto industry bailout. "Spending billions of additional federal tax dollars with no promises to reform the root causes crippling automakers' competitiveness around the world is neither fair to taxpayers nor sound fiscal policy," Boehner said.

Boehner noted that Congress had already approved a separate $25 billion loan program to help automakers develop fuel-efficient vehicles. He questioned "what assurances will Democrats give taxpayers about their chances of getting their auto bailout money back?"

legislation could set up a faceoff during the president's final days in office.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., are hoping for quick passage of the auto bailout during a postelection session that begins Monday.

Bush is open to helping the industry, the White House says, but the administration has expressed reservations about using the bailout money beyond the financial sector.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; automakers; bailouts; bigthree; ford; generalmotors; help; manufacturing
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To: sickoflibs
"Spending billions of additional federal tax dollars with no promises to reform the root causes crippling automakers' competitiveness around the world is neither fair to taxpayers nor sound fiscal policy," Boehner said.

Holy crap. Who spiked Boehner's Cheerios this morning?? He sounds like he is pro-capitalism here.

21 posted on 11/13/2008 11:21:29 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: sickoflibs
in exchange for a government ownership stake in Detroit's car companies.

I'll bet the "ownership" part is that we get to own GM's pension fund.

22 posted on 11/13/2008 11:21:32 AM PST by j. earl carter
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To: sickoflibs
Jorge will sign anything that makes him able to spend more. He is addicted to spending as a "crack-ho" is to crack.
23 posted on 11/13/2008 11:24:36 AM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: sickoflibs

Why don’t they just change their Corp. status to “Bank Holding Co.?”


24 posted on 11/13/2008 11:25:48 AM PST by Boiling Pots (Time to dump Bush/McCain "conservatism" in the trash heap of history.)
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To: sickoflibs

The bailout is not for the management of the big 3 automakers.

It is for UAW. Just turn the costs of the agenda that UAW imposed upon the US-based automobile manufacturers over to the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation, another “government-supported enterprise”, and excuse the auto manufacturers’ corporate management from having to continue to fund these pensions. That way, GM, Ford and Chrysler can go back to the business of being manufacturers, and cease to be pension and health benefit administrators.

This would be a “transfer payment” that would actually benefit US competitively, by lifting what has been largely an “unfunded mandate” on the auto manufacturers.


25 posted on 11/13/2008 11:28:06 AM PST by alloysteel (Molon labe! Roughly translated, "Come and take them!" referring to personal weapons.)
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To: sickoflibs

The bailout is not for the management of the big 3 automakers.

It is for UAW. Just turn the costs of the agenda that UAW imposed upon the US-based automobile manufacturers over to the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation, another “government-supported enterprise”, and excuse the auto manufacturers’ corporate management from having to continue to fund these pensions. That way, GM, Ford and Chrysler can go back to the business of being manufacturers, and cease to be pension and health benefit administrators.

This would be a “transfer payment” that would actually benefit US competitively, by lifting what has been largely an “unfunded mandate” on the auto manufacturers.


26 posted on 11/13/2008 11:28:52 AM PST by alloysteel (Molon labe! Roughly translated, "Come and take them!" referring to personal weapons.)
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To: sickoflibs
Boehner noted that Congress had already approved a separate $25 billion loan program to help automakers develop fuel-efficient vehicles. He questioned "what assurances will Democrats give taxpayers about their chances of getting their auto bailout money back?"

This is the problem. We don't have any Pub leadership willing to point out the underlying problem, but instead are just trying to make sure the govt. makes money.

The problem is it costs GM 50% to 120% more to make a car than their competitors. Putting money into the company doesn't change the underlying problem of cost. The solution is obvious, cut cost.

If they want to stay in business the unions are going to have to cut salary & benefits, the retirees are going to have to cut pensions & health benefits and management will have to cut salary and options. The alternative is to declare bankruptcy and let a judge sort it out.

Michigan has the highest unemployment and lowest growth for a reason.

27 posted on 11/13/2008 11:30:32 AM PST by wmfights (Elections have Consequences!)
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Does this mean I get a new Cadillac for free?


28 posted on 11/13/2008 11:32:25 AM PST by razorback-bert (Save the planet...it is the only known one with beer!)
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To: sickoflibs
This is ridiculous.
29 posted on 11/13/2008 11:36:00 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: sickoflibs
With the add on to the title, I was wondering if Republicans needed to learn to apply for a bail-out of their own.
30 posted on 11/13/2008 11:36:39 AM PST by garyb
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To: sickoflibs
Does piglosi need the GOP for anything? Not unless some of her own cross party lines, and I am told she makes the tow the line. If not they go to the shed for a beating, or loose their chairmanship.
31 posted on 11/13/2008 11:37:57 AM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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So that’s what it was about from the start. Nationalizing the biggest American industries. The biggest dogma of communism is that private ownership of the means of production is bad, and must be transferred to the government.
And that’s what the dems are doing. And Bush helped them.


32 posted on 11/13/2008 11:38:27 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism = serious mental deficiency)
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test


33 posted on 11/13/2008 11:42:27 AM PST by Roscoe Karns
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And I suppose all the unions will get what they demand...bailout for 100% retirement and medical

And whatever else they want.


34 posted on 11/13/2008 11:49:44 AM PST by soycd
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To: sickoflibs

And I suppose all the unions will get what they demand...bailout for 100% retirement and medical

And whatever else they want.


35 posted on 11/13/2008 11:54:59 AM PST by soycd
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Normally I'd say no to any bailouts, but after Bush and the pubbies went along to rescue their fatcat friends, it would take gall to save Wall Street and let Main Street fail.
36 posted on 11/13/2008 11:56:08 AM PST by E. Cartman (Will Bush, Bernanke or Paulson let Uncle Sam handle their personal wealth?)
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Normally I'd say no to any bailouts, but after Bush and the pubbies went along to rescue their fatcat friends, it would take gall to save Wall Street and let Main Street fail.
37 posted on 11/13/2008 11:56:39 AM PST by E. Cartman (Will Bush, Bernanke or Paulson let Uncle Sam handle their personal wealth?)
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To: sickoflibs

Every Republican should vote against every bad piece of legislation that is put forth from these dopes. Do not be attached to anything from them.


38 posted on 11/13/2008 11:57:04 AM PST by rlferny
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I'd tell them NUTS...unless these Company's can show why this isn't throwing good money after bad. Have the business plan and Union Concessions in hand....then we talk.
39 posted on 11/13/2008 11:58:54 AM PST by DAC21
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I was thinking how no one buys the bailout B.S. now. “Wolf” has been cried too many times. If any of the investors thought a bailout would help, the stock market wouldn’t be tanking so badly.

Well, the Commies do have cover for their bad decision making, at least until Jan. 20, 2009; blame it on Bush.


40 posted on 11/13/2008 11:59:26 AM PST by austinaero
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