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The Rebirth of the Pro-Life Movement
America's Independent Party ^ | 11-13-2008 | Judy Zabik

Posted on 11/13/2008 9:46:23 AM PST by EternalVigilance

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To: TheFourthMagi

How’s that workin’ for ya so far?


61 posted on 11/13/2008 4:36:42 PM PST by papertyger
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To: kjenerette

Indeed.


62 posted on 11/13/2008 4:39:57 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("Barack Obama is black like me only in the sense that we both have dark skin." - Alan Keyes)
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To: papertyger

Better than your effort.


63 posted on 11/13/2008 4:43:03 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: kjenerette

Very true. What are you running for in 2010? Want to run the RNC?


64 posted on 11/13/2008 4:45:12 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: TheFourthMagi

Oh how clever.
::rolling eyes::
So tell me, how much failure will it take for you to change tactics?


65 posted on 11/13/2008 4:50:33 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

From what to what?


66 posted on 11/13/2008 4:51:50 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: TheFourthMagi

From focusing on something that has not worked to something that uses the pro-choice argument against its own proponents.


67 posted on 11/13/2008 5:01:32 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

1. Please be more specific about “something that has not worked” regarding particular pro-life approaches and arguments.

2. The “pro-choice” movement, and their argument, is definitive tribalism and thus not subject to being universalized along the lines that you pursue.


68 posted on 11/13/2008 5:10:52 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: TheFourthMagi

1. It would more efficient for you to say what has worked: i.e. nothing.

2. It’s only definitive tribalism if you go along with the pro-choice definitions.

The same people tried to float the idea that minorities were incapable of racism and bigotry by “definition,” too.


69 posted on 11/13/2008 5:24:49 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

1. You, not I, are the one claiming that particular pro-life approaches are ineffective and thus it is you, not I, who then needs to identify exactly which pro-life approaches are being deemed ineffective and why.

2. Feminism is the most entrenched form of tribalism on Earth. That is why the entire pretext of using one of their arguments for a proposal involving universal application is intrinsically oxymoronic.


70 posted on 11/13/2008 5:29:10 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: papertyger

I admit it is not easy saying this and it tries my logic,

I think if we had 65,000,000 Catholics and additionally some others as the Rosary is a universal prayer saying this prayer, sure, this country could be saved.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2095715/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2119067/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2119064/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2116461/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2099923/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2099366/posts


71 posted on 11/13/2008 5:37:03 PM PST by RGPII (Stand your ground!)
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To: TheFourthMagi

1. No i don’t. Falling for your rhetorical rope-a-dope by trying to get me to catalog the self-evident is a waste of my effort.

2. Pontification is not proof. There is no reason the feminist rationale for abortion could not be appropriated by men, thus forcing the social dynamic back to where it has been since time immemorial.


72 posted on 11/13/2008 5:47:00 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

You were actively supplying one part of that, so I congenially offered the rope part to complete the rhyme.


73 posted on 11/13/2008 5:49:48 PM PST by TheFourthMagi
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To: RGPII

Can you provide a single data point in support of the efficacy of your assertion?


74 posted on 11/13/2008 5:53:24 PM PST by papertyger
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To: TheFourthMagi

Oh but wouldn’t it be grand if your clever repartee were useful for something other than preserving your self-esteem when prudence would suggest reflection.


75 posted on 11/13/2008 6:09:14 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

How can their be documented healings at Lourdes? Hundreds of them and that is searchable on the internet, just try “healings” and “Lourdes.”

“For those who believe in God, no explanation is necessary;
for those who do not believe in God, no explanation is possible.”


76 posted on 11/13/2008 6:15:59 PM PST by RGPII (Stand your ground!)
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To: RGPII

Lourdes is not an answer to my question. It is an evasion.

Can you provide a single example of societal repentance in response to the prayers of the “faithful?”


77 posted on 11/13/2008 6:23:03 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

If you want to read about societal repentence, google Charles Finney, the evangelist.


78 posted on 11/13/2008 9:18:55 PM PST by Cedar
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To: Cedar

As the second hit for Charles Finney is a denunciation on spurgeon.org (the first being a wiki ref.) perhaps you could elaborate on exactly what was repented of.


79 posted on 11/13/2008 9:59:55 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

Well, just go out and buy a book on Finney instead of digging through thousands of google links.

Cities and towns were greatly affected and had much change through his ministry and prayers.


80 posted on 11/13/2008 10:31:37 PM PST by Cedar
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