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GM 'needs' to go under
Libertarian Examiner | November 11, 10:20 AM | Trevor Bothwell

Posted on 11/13/2008 5:11:57 AM PST by equaviator

General Motors chairman Rick Wagoner says that his company is in such poor financial shape -- indeed, Deutsche Bank considers the company's stock worthless -- that it "needs" welfare assistance from American taxpayers before it runs out of cash.

Well, Wagoner didn't put it exactly like that. He called it a "federal aid package."

"This is an issue that needs to be addressed urgently," Wagoner told Automotive News, adding that now is the time to "overshoot, not undershoot" the level of assistance.

GM is willing to offer the government preferred stock, speed the introduction of fuel-efficient vehicles and set limits on executive compensation in exchange for financial aid, Wagoner said.

In other words, GM is willing to prostrate itself before the state if that means getting its fix. Nothing like selling your soul for corporate fascism.

Hey, Rick, I've got a 1970 Chevelle sitting in my garage that would look great in a sweet new paint job. I suppose I should just beg for my place at the federal trough like you instead of doing what normal people do and find new ways to make money, huh?

Listen, it wasn't American citizens who knuckled under to the UAW and decided to lavish fat pensions and health benefits on assembly line workers making $100k a year the past few decades. So get over it. Figure out how to cut overhead and improve your product or go the hell out of business.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: aau; anothervanity; bailout; bigvanity; detroit; gm; michigan
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To: equaviator

GM and Ford bet the farm that we would have socialized medicine by now. Its time to hand over the farm.

Bankruptcy is the ONLY THING that can save GM and Ford. They must unburden themselves of their labor contracts if they are going to survive.


21 posted on 11/13/2008 5:46:06 AM PST by SampleMan (Community Organizer: What liberals do when they run out of college, before they run out of Marxism.)
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To: Truth29
But is it at their political peril?

Well, they can choose to find out the hard way. My Pubbie Critter voted for bailout after voting against it. Now he's toast. Seems to me, IIRC, that all the Pubbie Critters who just lost their seats voted for the bailout.

22 posted on 11/13/2008 5:46:43 AM PST by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: wolfcreek

Those poor automated-Americans are exploited and receive no compensation for their labor.


23 posted on 11/13/2008 5:47:45 AM PST by WildcatClan (If we are the one's we have been waiting for, we must be incredibly stupid.)
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To: equaviator

Funny you mentioned the Astro. That is one ugly van with serious interior rattles....and also the highest mileage vehicle period. As the GM of a buy here pay here carlot, I saw more 400,000 mile Astros than Honda Accords, despite the fact that Accords outsell Astros 50 to 1.


24 posted on 11/13/2008 5:48:20 AM PST by When do we get liberated? ((Ok, Im the official Pit Bull Defender/If you can't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: wolfcreek

Ask BMW.


25 posted on 11/13/2008 5:49:11 AM PST by yobid (Tax me MORE so I can FEEL more neighborly.)
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To: Maurice Tift

The moon is 93,000 miles away, you need to find a better route. Try Mapquest.


26 posted on 11/13/2008 5:49:57 AM PST by When do we get liberated? ((Ok, Im the official Pit Bull Defender/If you can't stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: WildcatClan

Somebody needs to check their citizenship papers.


27 posted on 11/13/2008 5:50:39 AM PST by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: Beagle8U
"That is the only way they can dump the union contracts and they can’t survive unless that happens."

Can they dump the UAW if they file for bankruptcy? Trying to get clarification for how that would work.

28 posted on 11/13/2008 5:51:42 AM PST by libs_kma (F.U.B.O.)
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To: When do we get liberated?

It is 384,403 km which is almost 239,000 miles.


29 posted on 11/13/2008 5:59:18 AM PST by WildcatClan (If we are the one's we have been waiting for, we must be incredibly stupid.)
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To: equaviator

I have already communicated to my Congress critters.... the fact that NO federal assistance should be given to the auto industry. I highly encourage others to do the same.


30 posted on 11/13/2008 6:04:00 AM PST by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: When do we get liberated?

You are thinking about the sun, which is 93 million miles away.


31 posted on 11/13/2008 6:04:23 AM PST by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: When do we get liberated?

Dan Quayle? Is that you??


32 posted on 11/13/2008 6:07:53 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: When do we get liberated?

From a NASA webpage....The average distance from the center of Earth to the center of the moon is 238,897 miles (384,467 kilometers).


33 posted on 11/13/2008 6:08:29 AM PST by xp38
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To: equaviator
I had a 1979 Monza that got 35 MPG and could have gotten more if I had taken time to tune for it. GM has been cut out of the market with the unions, osha, and mainly EPA and congress. They can not make the European style of high mileage diesels and new gas engines. The new diesel trucks get really poor fuel mileage because of EPA and congress. They can not compete with both hands tied behind their back. Maybe congress and the corrupt fed and the corrupt wasteful unions and the shameful epa need to go out of business.
34 posted on 11/13/2008 6:17:35 AM PST by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: equaviator
Everywhere you look you see silver belly-button cars. You can't tell a Lexus from a Nissan from a Toyota from a Chrysler from a Ford from a Chevy. Somewhere along the way, auto design engineers quit being designers...


35 posted on 11/13/2008 6:31:21 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Amen! They served their purpose, now get rid of them. I am so tired of the union mentality, it is actually the Obama voter’s mentality if you think about it.


36 posted on 11/13/2008 6:36:12 AM PST by ohiogrammy (12)
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To: Bon mots

The problems go deeper than just product, much deeper. One of the biggest obstacles to success it contract language that inhibits improvement. Regardless of product quality, price and market suitability, advances in manufacturing technique are fought at every turn by the unions. Little sense in retooling for a process that is antiquated.
Contract structure does not allow for reductions in labor costs. A new technique that would eliminate manufacturing labor gains the company nothing because the individual has garanteed employment rights(???). (Job banks)
Madness, simply madness. Throw all the money in the world at this system and the results remain the same—failure.


37 posted on 11/13/2008 6:43:30 AM PST by benasawin
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To: ritewingwarrior

And this system of failure (unions) is only going to get larger, much larger, with Card Check. The union blight will soon spread across America like the plague of the dark ages.


38 posted on 11/13/2008 6:47:16 AM PST by benasawin
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To: When do we get liberated?

I watched all the Apollo missions - 1/4 million miles


39 posted on 11/13/2008 6:47:40 AM PST by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: Truth29

Right on, you have it pegged.


40 posted on 11/13/2008 6:49:57 AM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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