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To: ari-freedom

Many are in total denial even here. The country did not end under Jimmy Carter, or Clinton and there will be a United States even under hussein.

But, the thing that few acknowledge, is that even under Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Bush - even when we had control of Congress - the United States has never rolled back liberalism/socialism. The best we have ever done is slow the amount of change to socialism away from Liberty ad capitalism.

My point is not that the country will end in four years. My point is that even with a Palin win in 2012 and even if we take back control of Congress in 2010 or 2012, the best we can hope for, based on history and human nature, is to slow the move to full blown socialism. We have no evidence of ever repealing large portions of socialist law, and getting the judiciary to honor the constitution.

To me, the only way we can get our Liberty back is to start over. We can never get 100% of the US to do this, I wish we could get about half of the US to secede and start over, to return to the constitution, Liberty and capitalism. Staying in the US will never produce a move back to Liberty - it has never been done before and I cannot see a way for it to happen in the future. Half or more of the country will not allow it, and all of the media will not allow it. Therefore, people who love Liberty need to face reality - we need to leave, or, we need to quite complaining and talking about freedom, because slowing the move to socialism does not get the job done and that is all we have ever done in the last 100 years and all we will ever be able to do going forward.


34 posted on 11/13/2008 4:41:53 AM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: rigelkentaurus
people who love Liberty need to face reality - we need to leave

What's your choice for a destination? Australia is headed the same way as we are, from what I've heard, and I can't think of anywhere else.

102 posted on 11/13/2008 10:59:18 AM PST by 6323cd (Loyal Opposition My Ass)
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