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1 posted on 11/10/2008 6:32:17 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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"Never mind, we are forging ahead anyway. ..."

Political equivalent of "Hold ma beer and watch this!"

2 posted on 11/10/2008 6:36:01 AM PST by TexGuy (If it has the slimmest of chances of being considered sarcasm ... IT IS!)
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When we get to the stage where brownouts are a daily fact of life the old line energy companies will be blamed. However, no one should be under any illusion that the lack of energy will trouble the Dems and environmentalists in the least. That is actually their goal.


3 posted on 11/10/2008 6:38:36 AM PST by saganite (I for one welcome our new Socialist masters /s/)
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These supporters think he is lower gasoline taxes and prices

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2128724/posts

I guess they think the government creates everything and just gives it to the rich


4 posted on 11/10/2008 6:39:55 AM PST by sickoflibs ( Those who don't learn from (real big) mistakes are losers forever)
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Find later


5 posted on 11/10/2008 6:40:41 AM PST by listenhillary (That giant sucking sound? It's only the government consuming the fruits of our labor.)
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Americans deserve wind power. It appeals to the fantasies that are presently shaping their political decisions.

They are paying dearly for it. In states which mandate a fixed percentage of windmills (or alternatives) as generation, the utilities are fast-tracking them. It doesn’t matter whether they are overpriced and underperforming - the utilities are glad to add them to their rate base, and let the ratepayers pay goldplated prices for the duds.


6 posted on 11/10/2008 6:41:10 AM PST by qwertypie
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Never mind, we are forging ahead anyway.

I swear that Obama and the liberals are forging ahead to the middle ages.

7 posted on 11/10/2008 6:45:47 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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They sure are major ugly. They were pushing them here, and a relative looked into it. I don't know about elsewhere, but the contracts are one-sided, can be unilaterally dropped by the contractor, then the farmer is stuck with getting rid of them. And they are huge, monstrous things. They are not a good deal, bad for birds and muck up the landscape. So do oil wells for that matter, but sometimes we have to do what we have to do. They are probably better than fossil fuels, but are just another excuse not to drill.

When I say drill, I don't mean every last drop under there that is nonrenewable. But enough to tide us over until we can look into other alternatives.

Maybe a better solution are the smaller ones people buy themselves, pay for themselves in up to 5 years or less. Any excess is sold to the grid at market value.

Isn't it odd that those old windmills (we got rid of them on 2 farms) are now in vogue? I've tried to photograph a few, but haven't gotten very good ones yet. I remember climbing halfway up a very tall one when I was a kid, then got scared and climbed back down. My father's cousin was afraid to climb all the way to the top to change the light bulb. So my father did it for him, and he wasn't even a farmer any more but a civil engineer who had welded water towers and such just before WWII, so he was used to heights. Those older ones probably didn't generate as much power as the newer ones.

8 posted on 11/10/2008 6:47:27 AM PST by Aliska
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Why no one seems to gasp the significance of what happened in Texas on February 28, 2008. On that day doldrum weather conditions idled most of Texas windmills and lead to a power crisis that narrowly averted rolling blackouts. While the upper Midwest has been touted as the Saudi Arabia of wind energy, its windmills can be idled by both a lack of wind and too windy conditions which cause windmills to shut down least the strain destroy them. If 20% of our electricity is to come from windmills such situations could become common place given the fickle weather conditions in the Midwest.


12 posted on 11/10/2008 7:00:52 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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Who needs reliable 24/7 electricity anyway? Some foreign governments and eco-maniacs might look favorably upon the USA if we cut the power off a few hours each day.

Vero Possumus!


13 posted on 11/10/2008 7:01:49 AM PST by dashing doofus (Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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I can imagine it now. Barack Obama in a cardigan next to a fireplace asking us to “sacrifice.”

Seems oddly familiar ...


21 posted on 11/10/2008 7:31:43 AM PST by DiogenesLaertius
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Our state has a mandate that we have to be using 20% renewable energy in the next few years. A company contacted us and wanted to do a study to see if it was feasible to put wind generators on top of our mountain. They studied for 9 months or so and said that it wasn’t feasible, the terrain was too rough and the costs would be prohibitive. They contacted us last month and said that they were still interested, I think they’re getting desparate.

Part of the problem is that in this part of the state, places that might be suitable, belong to the government, we are just lucky that our ancestors were hardy and decided to homestead on top of a rocky mountain top.


24 posted on 11/10/2008 7:51:43 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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Yesterday, the top story on the Utah news stations was that an Obama spokesman made it clear that they were going to do everything they could to prevent new natural gas and oil production in “sensitive places like Utah.” Interesting. The Dems can combine their desire to keep us weak and energy dependent with their desire to slap us Mormon Cracker Republicans, just like Clinton did when he shut down production in the nation’s biggest reserve of clean coal, which also is located in Utah.


27 posted on 11/10/2008 8:02:57 AM PST by lady lawyer
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The North American Reliability Council estimates we will have 175,000 megawatts of new capacity by 2017...

There is no such thing as free energy and Newton's Third Law: "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction force" hasn't yet been repealed by the Democrats.

Every megawatt of electricity we put on the grid from windmills is a megawatt of energy that we take out of the circulation of the Earth's atmosphere.

As we build millions, tens of millions and hundreds of millions of windmills and slow the atmosphere's circulation it would seem likely that the equator will get warmer, the deserts both hotter and larger. At the poles, the opposite will occur, they will get colder and the ice pack larger and thicker.

I'm guessing the EPA is too involved in Al Gore's global warming redistribution of wealth to have done a study on the effect of mass use of windmills.

34 posted on 11/10/2008 1:15:11 PM PST by RJL
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