[Bronzewound]

bump for later

[MMinOH]

Bump for later. And, Thanks!

[Fee]

Recommend Ruger, Smith and Wesson, or Taurus brand .357 mag revolver and it can shoot lower cost .38 cal bullets. Accompany it with a lever action Marlin carbine that also shoots .357 mag bullets (also can shoot .38 cal bullets). Both weapons are simple to load and shoot. No need to mess with detachable magazines.

[P8riot]

Minimum 1000 rd of ammo for each, or they are only clubs and bricks.

[MaxMax]

2, 4, 6, Check, Check, Check.

[Swiss]

The utimate assault rifle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im3Hg7Zu-eA

[Kadric]

My basics right now.
Pistols
CZ-52 x2
Helwan

Rifles
WASR-10 converted to hicap mags
Saiga 308-1
CAR-15
Spanish Model 1916 in .308
Marlin model 60

[samadams2000]

Springfield EMP (spendy-small frame 9mm on a 1911 frame)
Mossberg 500A Persuader
Ruger Mini 14-.223 with Scope
Remington Rand .45
Ruger SP101 .357
Walther P99-9mm (small hand size)
Smith and Wesson 910-9mm
(9 )Winchester Model 61’s- Vintage pump action .22
Ruger 10/22 with more clips and ammo that they make in a day
870 Remington. 12 gauge (2)
.25 Cal American Arms pocket gun
,30-,30 Winchester lever action
.45Long Colt Cowboy Action Single shot
A few more
Need——
AR15 before they are banned....again...

[El Gato]

Please list brands that are relatively easy to buy in the United States as most of us don't have access to that clever gunmaker in the Czech Republic or wherever

Czech made CZs and Slovak make ZC are both easy to find in the US, the former more so than than the latter. Plus, Italian made copies, or in one case derivative which CZ later copied, are available from EAA (European American Armory). All can be found at any medium to large gun show.

[LowOiL]

Good subject... BTTT for more comments

[Wilhelm Tell]

Two words to keep in mind - parts availability.
Probably the first anti-gun thing Obama will do is make an executive order banning the importation of all or most foreign-made guns, gun parts and ammo. He will surely ban the importation of high-capacity magazines, perhaps ban the importation of all magazines.

In a survival scenario, it will be practical to own an AR-15 type rifle in .223/5.56. If anything breaks on your AR-15, you will be able to find spare parts for it. I know that AR-15 rifles with 16 inch barrels are very popular. I prefer the AR-15 with a 20 inch barrel - the longer barrel makes a somewhat better long-range use of the small bullet than a shorter barrel.

Likewise, parts are widely available for 1911-style pistols. A basic 1911 is a good choice. Of course, many "foreign" handguns are made in the U.S., such as Beretta, SIG, Glock, etc. I like the SIG pistols - I own several and they are accurate and super-reliable. If you are interested in a 1911 style pistol for home defense, you do not need a tricked-out, expensive 1911 with a match trigger.

I like to try and keep things simple. Sometimes people are too caught up with gadgets. For example, you can get an AK-47 semi-auto style rifle and put a scope on it. The AK-47 rifle does not have great long-range accuracy, so I don't see what value a scope has for such a rifle. I am not knocking the AK-47, I am just saying that gadgets will not make it more accurate.

[PA Engineer]

BFLR.

[UPcrawfish]

A fairly inclusive website for anything “shooting”. Every manufacturer site - accessory sites - everything you may need..

http://www.shootguns.info/

[wac3rd]

The question will be you vs. Barry Soetero’s Civilian Defense Corps who will militarily train all of the youth with basic military training to enforce the new set of social norms such as the 1st and 2nd Amendments, which will be revoked.

This guy has power, so much power the the Justice Dept. whinnied like a sick horse when presented with ACORN voting, illegal foreign contributions and fraudlent credit card donation policies...hell, he apparently killed the gay choir director of Rev. Wright’s church and silenced a Republican governor about a birth certificate.

He quashed the LA Times to not release a videotape of he and Ayers praising Rahsidi.

He nearly jailed Jerome Corsi for attempting to dig into his birth certificate and connection to Odinga.

He used public officials to raze Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin, including an on-the-spot investigation called “faux-Trooergate”

This guy has power, real power and he wants to push the US into a Marxist utopia of Liberalism and Muslim appeasement.

It will be you vs. a newly trained ObamaArmy private, in the end.

Keep practicing. Stock up on ammo. Keep money and food nearby. Pray to Jesus.

[smokingfrog]

1. Semi Automatic Pistol(Basic)
Glock or Springfield XD - 9mm .40 or .45
2. Semi Automatic Pistol(High End)
Sig Sauer - various, but the 250 is real nice or any good 1911
3. Revolver (Basic)
snubby Tarus or S&W .38+P or .357
4. Revolver (High End)
S&W Model 325 Thunder Ranch or Model 326 M&P 8-shot
5. Shot Gun (Basic)
Remington 870 or Mossberg 500 (pump)
6. Shot Gun (High End)
Remington 1100
7. Others AK47 or AR15
8. .308 or comparable bolt action all weather rifle with a good scope (reach out and touch someone) Lots to choose from...
9. Recommended Accessories EoTech or good red dot sight for your combat rifle
10. Magazines and ammo (lots)
11. Cleaning equipment
12. more ammo (you need practice ammo and "tactical" ammo
13. spare parts

[LouisianaJoanof Arc]

bttt

Glock 33? Anyone have an opinion on this one?

[Lisa_from Buckeye Country]

Thanks so much for this thread, bookmarking to read later.
I’ve never owned a gun before, but from what my family and frinds are telling me, I better get one while I can, legally.

[Kent C]

From an ammo point of view, the most available even if things get really tight is 9mm, .45, and .223. Having the same caliber for both a pistol and a rifle to start out makes a lot of sense. Also saves on cleaning kits, brushes, patches, which come in various calibers.

I’d recommend getting a 9mm semi-auto pistol

High End: Glock, Sig Sauer, Kahr
Mid: Beretta, Browning Hi Power, S&W, Taurus, Ruger, Walther.
Stay away from low end guns.(imo) But if you can’t afford the above get something.

http://www.gundirectory.com/body.asp?gun=Pistol&pp=1&sort=-3&ammoID=390&ammo=9mm&ammoD=9x19mm%2C+9mm+Para%2C+9mm+Luger%2C+9mm+NATO

Then a 9mm rifle - Bushmaster AR9 for example:
http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_carbon15_AZ9-C15R16FT.asp

Beretta Storm:
https://www.shopberetta.com/e2wItemMain.aspx?parentID=IT00006334&parentLink=2100000084:3100001363:3100001373
(also available in .45)

Marlin Camp 9
http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/marlincamp9war.htm

The Marlin is also available in .45 so you could suppliment a .45 pistol with that.

.45cal Pistols - Colt, Kimber. Esp. like this Kimber for carry:

http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/covert/ultra_covert_II/
It’s expensive but it has a built in Crimson trace laser - an accessory I highly recommend on any pistol.

http://www.crimsontrace.com/

If you want a highpowered rifle then AR15 (many manufacturers) or Ruger Mini-14 that shoot the .223 round.

http://www.bushmaster.com/catalog_main_index.asp
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/FAFamily?type=Rifle&subtype=Autoloading&famlst=20&variation=Mini-14%C2%AE%20Ranch%20Rifle

Or an AK 47 high end, SKS low end.

And take an NRA course on gun safety, then shoot every week. Make it a family outing.

[backhoe]

Pistol- because you can always carry it.

Shotgun- close to intermediate range.

Rifle- reach out & touch...

The rest, is details...

[mad_as_he$$]

"Address Gun Violence in Cities: As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals who shouldn't have them. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent, as such weapons belong on foreign battlefields and not on our streets."

This is directly quoted from the change.gov website cached on Google.