Posted on 11/07/2008 8:31:02 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I thought Mitt was clearly the best candidate left after Fred dropped out. Hucksterbee was a southern fried version of McCain with a generous helping of religious bigotry thrown in.
My agenda is nothing more, and has never been more, than saying things that I believe to be true, or getting involved with discussions I find interesting. No, I’m not a Sarah Palin fan. I didn’t think there was any way she would be selected to be McCain’s VP. Then she was. And now, aftere having a chance to get to know her better, I don’t think there’s any way she will be elected president. In 2012, or ever. I’m not approaching this as a lawyer at all. Just as an amaeteur newshound.
I do think a sizeable element of FR are out of touch. The Those who advocated for Duncan Hunter as president, for instance. Then the birth certificate fiasco. And now Sarah Palin as the Future. That said, I also find many posters to be quite knowledgeable and fascinating. What i fear is that they will be slowly “wished into the cornfield” by those who have moderator power, or at least the ears of the moderators.
I think conservatism is in a lot of trouble, and it needs to be marketed in better ways. That does not mean I am not conservative, at least on certain policies. If I were a troll, I would rather be celebrating on another board, rather than trying to muddle through the days after a major defeat.
I post here because I like the discussion. This thread especially. I will always be honest in my posts, and will not put on a mask to please the majority, be they Palin fanatics, or Obama sympathizers. I hope that as a result, I am not removed from FR, and not branded as a troll, because that is unfair to me and to what I am trying to do.
I have already conceded that I was wrong about Palin being picked at all, and it is possible that in 4 years time she is still a force. I am not a crystal ball reader. I just hope that you and others can realize that although I am not a cheerleader-type poster, I still can have a place here.
Anyone in the party that thinks she’s the problem? Can just get the hell out if they haven’t already. Any elites and any liberal Republicans just go. We don’t want or need you in a leadership role.
CR--thanks for the clarification--we're cool.
Two Manchurian candidates? One is the Messi-UH. He's an empty suit with someone else pulling the strings, but I don't know whom yet. His just concluded press conference showed he is just over his head, and he obviously had a pre-arranged list of reporters to ask questions of him. He forgot to not look down at his list of names before he selected reporters. And how about that sign on his podium''The Office of the President-elect" Taa-daa! There's a new one for us! Yeah,, he's a history maker alright.
The other Manchurian Candidate--that would be McCain. I wonder if his role was to throw this election to the other Manchurian Candidate. Too bad Sarah Palin got put in this mess. But McCain--the fake Republican--looked like a prize fighter who took a dive during this campaign.
I feel like we all got screwed this year, and some time will pass before we realize just how much.
We have a President elect who is a radical Marxist with no experience and is of unknown origin and a Vice President elect who is an idiot.This is America in 2008.
Agreed.
Of course I was hoping his rat oversample was too high and that there would be some bradley. But neither was true and Ras was right on.
Ras conducts himself as a pollster should. Always with objective and dispassionate analysis. Unlike some other pollsters I can think of who interject inappropriate commentary (and are fond of special sauce - hint hint).
I don’t think it is just you...so, yeah to the rest of your question.
The general public did not really take Reagan seriously right up til October of 1980.
I cant believe you are ready to give on Sarah based on 1 bad interview. LOL.
Do you know what I think ? I think you are unfair to Palin. I think you are just another RINO.
“Disturbingly, a full 9% of Republicans have already affirmed their opposition to Sarah Palin just days after the election, in what some are calling a statistical trend.”
/PalinBashers
Reagan had a few more skins on the wall going into the White House than Sarah.
Sarah can come back, but she made rookie mistakes and she will need to learn from them.
Sarah will not again make the mistake of hitching herself on to a Rino. Go Sarah, kick some @$$!
Time will tell if Palin has indeed created a movement, or if instead she was a historical-hiccup. It very well could impact the future of the GOP.
People dont just like her. They love her.
I believe in destiny. I dont think she was brought to us for no reason at all.
More Republicans voted for her than McCain. Saracuda Rox!
Palin/Colter 2012
Pray for W Palin and Our Troops
She will.
That's just the way she rolls.
OK... but please, no rinos!
“I do think a sizeable element of FR are out of touch.”
You make that clear and you repeat in various forms in many of your posts since you signed up in June.
Your agenda is to stop Palin, promote Romney, and make FR less conservative, or “monolithic” and “out of touch” as you put it.
The agenda of FR is to strengthen, promote, and be activists for, conservatism.
“Time will tell if Palin has indeed created a movement, or if instead she was a historical-hiccup. It very well could impact the future of the GOP.”
She is a Reagan republican, a lifelong republican with a right wing dad.
Your man on the other hand was the son of a liberal, anti-war republican presidential candidate, he became an independent in opposition to Reagan’s conservatism, supported liberal democrats (solely) for years and only rejoined the republican party in 1993 to run for a senate seat in Massachusetts.
He started moving right for this election and spent $150,000,000.00 to create a new image as a conservative investing $45,000,000.00 of his own money into that imaging campaign.
Now he has you here to handle some of the load at FR.
I dunno. Hard to distinguish a conspiracy along the lines you describe from the “just practical politics” I discussed in my original post. That is, you know you are going to lose so you do what you can to limit the damage you are going to suffer. Sort of going into “survive-the fight-today-to-be-able-to-fight-and-win-another-day” mode.
I realize you are still thinking on this but do you feel ultimately there is a single manipulator behind the scenes subtly maneuvering both sides? (Or are there possibly two or more (a la the “Great Game” of the 19th century)?)
Didn’t see the press conference, but I suspect that after the intelligence briefings he is starting to get, he is beginning to realize the really fun part of the job is now behind him.
“Next to a battle lost, the greatest misery is a battle gained.” - Duke of Wellington
Somewhere, John McCain may be laughing.
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