Posted on 11/06/2008 2:57:21 PM PST by big black dog
Wouldn’t be a 1964 Monza Spyder would it?
Ralph is right!
Now we can blame Obambi for everything that goes wrong!
Palin/Jindal 2012
I'll say he is! He called his efforts in getting DDT banned the "biggest mistake of my life". He went on to say that the ban has cost tens of millions of deaths in the third world for not much in the way of an environmental hazard. That's more then you'll ever get from all the other "green" weenies.
Regards,
GtG
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Not even remotely. Some 30 years ago he was informed as to the relative hazards of nuclear power versus fossil fuel fired power plants and chose to ignore the information even though it was well researched and documented because it didn't fit his agenda which was the destruction of the nuclear power industry, a goal he still pursues. To this day the use of fossil fuels for power generation causes the premature deaths of an estimated 200,000 Americans annually versus virtually no deaths as a result of the use of nuclear power. This not only illustrates the dishonesty of Nader, it also makes him an unrepentant mass murderer ranking somewhere between Saddam Hussein and Hitler, but still well short of Stalin or Mao.
How do you nationalize an international corporation?
Allow me to disagree. As in the case of Congress and the affordable housing crap they instituted, there would not have been a problem without the unintended consequences of their misguided action. Same scenario with cheap labor. The government chose to stand idle while law was broken and broken again. Cheap labor is the unintended consequence. Business is not going to let labor cost bury them. Now that government has finally chosen to act, the scenario is beginning to change.
I'm going to assume your question is well-intentioned and you're just very naive.
Have a look here:
http://iblsjournal.typepad.com/illinois_business_law_soc/2008/04/nationalization.html for just a recent example.
It's done ALL the time. And if you don't think our banks -- which are giant corporations -- don't have one foot in the grave of nationalization, you haven't been paying attention.
I don't disagree with you about nuclear power, or about Nader's role in its destruction. But this sounds like a Naderite staement, and I sure would like a citation for it, if you would be so kind.
A Barney? Not the homo kind, the purple kind.
and Congress would have a chance to assume its proper prominence in government. The Executive branch needs to be taken down a peg or two.
...or could it be that for years Congress has failed it’s responsibilities, or maybe wo could agree a little of both.
“The Skeptical Environmentalist” discusses the statistics regarding the 200,000 figure, and this is the stat for Americans only. The world stat is obviously much higher but can not be attributed to Nader except that US leadership might have reduced world dependence on fossil fuels. Or not.
The statement that Nader was informed on this topic and chose to disregard the data I have seen several places. I think one of them was “The Health Hazards of Not Going Nuclear” but I cannot be sure.
I can’t give you more specific references since both books, along with other related reference materials, are in storage in NH and I am living in SD. But I recommend both books.
So Hugo got the physical assess of Exxon in Venezuela. Big deal.
Globalization has provide the opportunity for corporations to set up in many countries. A lot of American corporations now have physical assets off shore. They even have contingency corporate headquarters. So if Obama wanted to nationalize a global industry, he will wind up with an empty corporate headquarters and the stock of small shareholders. The big share holders will setup in a contingency offshore headquarters. Meanwhile, Obama owns the stock of a lot of middle-class shareholders who will be pissed at him. Nationalization is not a good option for Obama. I doubt it will happen to international corporations.
Keep in mind power and wealth are drawn to each other. The United States has the most rich people. They have bought their power quietly. They own the politicians. But they don't own the people. I doubt any politician is going to buck either the billionaire class or the middle-class. The low class mobs are no match for the fury that would be unleashed.
My oldest brother looks and sounds a lot like Ralph Nader.
he’s even frumpy in clothes just like Nader and sort of an Independent voter. I wonder sometimes.
It is a big deal. Don't think for a minute Exxon doesn't regard it as one.
I doubt any politician is going to buck either the billionaire class or the middle-class.
That isn't how it's going to be done, if/when it ever happens. Like the banks, the seizure will be precipitated by a crisis, which will be used to wear down the separation between private and public property one quantum jump at a time.
As for the middle class -- please don't make me laugh. The German middle class was perfectly willing to watch millions of people get packed up into boxcars and pretend it wasn't happening once their currency got fixed and the Fatherland started "heading in the right direction."
In China, they are performing the reverse process as we type: they're going to raise an economic class that doesn't care one bit about political liberalization or majoritarian rule as long as they get a few toys -- and given the grinding poverty they've endured for centuries who can blame them?
And us? Progressives have been boiling us frogs since my Dad was a boy in the early thirties. The American middle class proved two days ago that they don't have the wits to even know the difference between a flawed but genuine American Hero with a lengthy resume and a self-obsessed little girly-man who's never accomplished anything in his life. And even if they did know the difference, once the Social Security checks and Medicare Services for My Generation begin to dry up they're going to be primed to accept the last twenty degrees... Gratefully.
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