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1 posted on 11/05/2008 2:07:50 PM PST by traumer
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To believe this non-sense, you have to first believe the liberal argument - that it was not Reagan, but Gorbachev that brought down the Iron Curtain.

Since I don’t agree with that argument, I would chalk this one up to mercury boiling over on the kook meter.


2 posted on 11/05/2008 2:10:08 PM PST by The_Republican (Conservatives are in trouble because they hate Scarlett Johanson.)
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Yeah, we are about where Russia was in 1984.


3 posted on 11/05/2008 2:11:05 PM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative (looking for a reason to believe....)
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“Obama, he is the American Gorbachev, he will destroy America, it will not be rebuilt,” Zhirinovsky said at a meeting of the ultra-nationalist party he founded, according to Russian news agency Interfax.

Unfortunately, Mr. Zhirinovsky could be correct. With the Democrats holding the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives, and with Nancy Pelosi and the Kenyan Clown running the legislative and executive branches, this could be a ride unlike any other than that we have been on.


4 posted on 11/05/2008 2:13:23 PM PST by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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America is a lot tougher than Russia, Vlad. Presidents come, presidents go. In Russia you seem to have the same oligarchy in charge regardless the official form your government takes. In short, we sometimes engage in political risk-taking (like last night), but you guys can’t seem to learn from your mistakes.


5 posted on 11/05/2008 2:13:45 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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Obama Gorbachev.. kind of has a ring to it.

Michelle is no Raisa tho


8 posted on 11/05/2008 2:19:49 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed)
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Obama is ‘American Gorbachev’ who will destroy US: Zhirinovsky

In other words, he'll complete what Bush started???

George W. Bush: Phhhffftt. The man without whom President-elect Obama wouldn't have been possible.

9 posted on 11/05/2008 2:20:25 PM PST by E. Cartman (Will Bush, Bernanke or Paulson let Uncle Sam handle their personal wealth?)
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Muslims are dancing in the streets as middle east money just bought the US presidency for a clown without a clue. Lots of stupid people in the country but not as many as in Mexico—maybe. Middle east terrorists have successfully duped americans into electing their choice. They have divided the populace, manipulated the press, cultivated the ignorance of voters to their favor and put their chosen Hussein in office again.


13 posted on 11/05/2008 2:26:35 PM PST by Neoliberalnot ((Hallmarks of Liberalism: Ingratitude and Envy))
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Awwwww. Obambi bought the mess created by past Presidents and now HE is the one we’ll blame for everything that doesn’t go the way “we” think it should.

If NancyFancy couldn’t do anything much in the last session of Congress, don’t believe she can do anything with this one, either. SHE is divisive. (I even emailed her and told her that.) What she does is to make even her own Party members upset with her. And Congresspeople are PETTY people. If it weren’t so, we would never have PORK in our budgets and bills.

It’s never about the Nation, our Country, or We the People. It’s always about “them.” There are few Statesmen left in Congress and some are hiding their qualities quite deeply.

We know all of Obambi’s promises, so all we have to do is write our letters to the editor and to our Congresscritters reminding that “he promised” and he reneged.

In Other Words, Obambi is a RENEGER.

Say it loud, say it proud, Barry Obama is a reneger!

Yes, I know what I wrote and you may quote me on it.


14 posted on 11/05/2008 2:27:07 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Barry Obama wants to be President, but he has never learned how to Preside. "Present" won't work.)
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I always welcome a chance to use a fellow Freeper's word for it, Barrystroika
15 posted on 11/05/2008 2:27:24 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Trouble is, Dmitry Medvedev doesn’t care for Barry either.

Change is a comin.


20 posted on 11/05/2008 2:32:09 PM PST by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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Zhirinovsky is right on target. He comes off like a crazed nationalistic nut, but in private he is smooth, cool, very intelligent and admits his ravings are an act. "Who would know who Zhirinovsky is if I didn't do that?" he said. O and the congress will preside over the dismantling of America as we know it and I doubt it can be put together again once they do it. Our only last thread of hope is if the SC makes him prove his citizenship and he cannot. I am not holding my breath on that one. До Свтдання Америка! (Goodbye America!)
22 posted on 11/05/2008 2:36:13 PM PST by flash2368 (Scary Times)
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Unfortunatly he may be right. If they legalize all the Mexicans and let a bunch more in. Eliminate tax on over 50% of the voters. It is over...my friends...The Dole/McCain fiasco.


25 posted on 11/05/2008 2:44:21 PM PST by screaminsunshine
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I believe this is true. On January 20 next year we will have a sitting president that couldn’t pass an FBI loyalty probe. Our national security, the safety of all Americans will be in his hands. Thinking about this sends chills up my spine.

Then, I think of what our leader, Sen. McCain, said at a town hall meeting on October 10. His audience was enthusiastic, wanting him to go on the attack.
This made Sen. McCain uneasy and he said, “Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared about as President of the United States.”

In plain words, Se. McCain endorsed Obama. And now we are all in danger.

The Russian is right.


26 posted on 11/05/2008 2:48:02 PM PST by HalTa
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I appreciate the sentiment, but nothing in the experience of this Russian politician or his country gives him expertise about our country.


30 posted on 11/05/2008 3:02:53 PM PST by prolifefirst
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There is a very little known story about the fall of the Soviet Union under Gorbachev.

When Chernenko died, only three hours later Gorbachev accepted the job of General Party Secretary. However, he demanded a very unusual condition before taking the job. It had to be agreed by every member of the Politburo, the leaders of the communist party, the military, and the KGB.

A tremendous problem in the Soviet Union was lying. For this reason, nobody in their government knew the real condition of the Soviet Union, or even how their particular part of the government was doing. Everybody lied about everything.

Gorbachev knew a particularly inoffensive KGB bureaucrat. He was a brilliant accountant, and nobody in the KGB, military, or communist party had any grudges against him.

Gorbachev demanded one condition before taking office: that this man, accompanied by armed representatives of each branch, was to make an unannounced inspection tour of the Soviet Union, checking agriculture, industry, the military, the KGB, everything.

He was to present his results only to the complete Politburo, and anyone who lied to him would be in serious trouble. It was a shocking request, but it was agreed to by all members.

Then, however often he would appear before them, the accountant would give them the horrible, awful news. The truth. Every member of the Politburo was horrified. They had no idea things were so terrible, that there nation was falling apart, top to bottom.

The counterpoint to this was Ronald Reagan. From early in his term he surprised everyone by opening the floodgates of US wheat sales to the Soviet Union. Nobody realized that this expensive wheat was draining the resources of the Soviet Union. All the oil they could pump, all the gold they could dredge, all the foreign currency they could get their hands on, went to pay for US wheat.

Finally, when they were impoverished, Reagan announced the SDI, the spending of billions of dollars to make a defensive system that there was no way the Soviet Union could match, effectively neutralizing their nuclear weapons. It broke their spirit.

All the lies about how wealthy and powerful they were just collapsed. Gorbachev had no choice but to try and keep the monster alive, but at the cost of letting go all the nations of their empire. Even that wasn’t enough.

Finally, in the last ditch effort to keep their dictatorship, there was the pathetic effort to overthrow Gorbachev. And this broke him as well.


33 posted on 11/05/2008 3:39:12 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Vladimir Volfovich Zhirinovsky (born 1946) led the extreme nationalist Liberal Democratic Party of Russia to surprising success in the Russian parliamentary elections of December 1993.


36 posted on 11/05/2008 6:04:11 PM PST by Lady GOP
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