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To: neverdem
The GOP is not an effective advocate for Conservatism. Unfortunately, Reagan and Gingrich are proving to the the exception and not the rule.

Conservatives have two choices: engineer a takeover of the GOP like the left's takeover of the Dem Party or start a another party. RINOs do not have the vision nor the fortitude to fight the left.

5 posted on 11/05/2008 11:39:50 AM PST by bailmeout ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" - G Orwell)
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To: bailmeout

You’re right but the answer is NOT starting another party, as it’s this very attitude that got us here in the first place, and into trouble with disengaging from public schools and allowing William Ayers’ ilk to socialize the younger generation.

We take our kids and run off to homeschool or private school, and STILL we have to pay for their failed godless liberal NEA public schools which STILL indoctrinate children.

THEY get up in our faces while we continue to turn the other cheek. We’ll sure as the day is long lose this country by disngagement.


9 posted on 11/05/2008 11:45:34 AM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: bailmeout

I hate talking out loud, but why can’t Conservatism form the equivalent of a [I can’t remmember!] group that was created to spread communism. Conservatism needs to spread and use any means as well, including forming our own Saul Alinskys. It will take more than our lifetime, but if the Left can do it, so can the Right.


17 posted on 11/05/2008 12:02:39 PM PST by Clock King (Democracy has failed completely.)
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To: bailmeout

“The GOP is not an effective advocate for Conservatism.”

humor by understatement, I presume?


24 posted on 11/05/2008 12:16:25 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: bailmeout
Conservatives have two choices: engineer a takeover of the GOP like the left's takeover of the Dem Party or start a another party. RINOs do not have the vision nor the fortitude to fight the left.

NAILED IT.

30 posted on 11/05/2008 12:24:50 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: bailmeout
Unfortunately, Reagan and Gingrich are proving to the the exception and not the rule.

Forgive me ... but Reagan is the only exception in that list. He was clearly cut from different from different cloth than the "conservatives" of today.

Gingrich is very much an exemplar of "the rule." When it came down to it, Gingrich's Contract for America was nothing more than a campaign tactic that was quickly discarded once it became apparent that Gingrich had neither the political ability nor the political power to carry it out. Bill Clinton beat Gingrich half to death with the Contract, and then used the resultant momentum to win re-election in '96.

It doesn't mean that the principles embodied by the Contract are wrong -- they're not; but the actual results of trying to apply the Contract show that Conservatives really don't know what to do with them.

There are two issues here, both of which we conservatives need to address.

The first is that, despite what the Contract said, "conservatism" has no clear meaning; but at the same time the public has gained a perception of conservatism that is quite unfavorable. Much of that is our own fault -- there are no Reagans among the current crop of "spokesmen for conservatism;" those who step forward, are prone to feeding red meat to an already oppositional media.

The second is strategy and tactics. We've GOT to behave differently.

40 posted on 11/05/2008 1:00:18 PM PST by r9etb
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To: bailmeout

“The GOP is not an effective advocate for Conservatism”

What a silly comment....
“Reagan and Gingrich are proving to the the exception and not the rule. “

Monumental exceptions! These 2 men between them helped keep USA on a more conservative path from 1980-2000.

The GOP is the only political vehicle out there capable of advancing conservatism... WE have to get in and drive it in the right direction. Drivers are needed!


45 posted on 11/05/2008 1:58:50 PM PST by WOSG (STOP OBAMA'S SOCIALISM - Change we need: Replace the Democrat Congress)
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