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To: 82ndABNOfficer

Sorry, but aside from tax cuts, the courts and defense, Bush was the most liberal president in recent history. Bush may be a good man, but he destroyed the GOP, and especially the “conservative,” brand.


2 posted on 11/05/2008 6:48:45 AM PST by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: pnh102

No we did ourselves in by not including him and his team for the election.


3 posted on 11/05/2008 6:49:44 AM PST by 82ndABNOfficer
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To: pnh102
Sorry, but aside from tax cuts, the courts and defense

Gee...is that all? What a pinko...

8 posted on 11/05/2008 6:51:39 AM PST by rosenfan
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>>>>the “conservative,” brand.<<<<<

Please don’t use that term.

Conservatism isn’t a “brand”, it’s an idea and philosophy.

And one that has been completely trashed by the political “elite” including Bush, McCain, and many many others.


10 posted on 11/05/2008 6:52:00 AM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: pnh102

Sorry, but aside from tax cuts, the courts and defense, Bush was the most liberal president in recent history. Bush may be a good man, but he destroyed the GOP, and especially the “conservative,” brand.
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Agreed, and he provided NO LEADERSHIP OR FIGHT when we needed it badly. He took every bit of crap the MSM and commie libs threw at him (and us) without a fight. And with that, include his LOVE FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS and the total deliberate neglect of our borders for his Mexican friends. Yes, he did a few things right -— but when it came to standing and fighting for THE AMERICAN CITIZEN and the interests of same, he failed miserably. He simply was not a fighter that failed the conservative base.

That is his legacy.


13 posted on 11/05/2008 6:52:50 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: pnh102
Sorry, but aside from tax cuts, the courts and defense, Bush was the most liberal president in recent history.

And McCain should have stuck up for Bush on each of those. Bush's tax cuts were not for the rich, but were across the board and completely eliminated federal income taxes for tens of millions of our lowest income earners. But NO ONE every heard about that from the McCain camp.

14 posted on 11/05/2008 6:53:12 AM PST by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: pnh102

Bush overall, turned out to be what I have to call “the worst kind of Republican”. He oversaw the apocalyptic War in Iraq and never bothered to keep the American people informed all along the way of how it was going, and why it was going the way it was going. He was perhaps intellectually incapable of trusting himself to do this.
He hung his head in shame over Katrina, as if he too believed himself to be responsible for all it. Once again, there’s an entire dimension missing there if he was unwilling to fight for what he in fact did do to ameliorate the natural tragedy that became a political tragedy for Republicans. He spent like a drunken Liberal, in the name of “compassionate conservativism”, and never followed up on the success/failure of any spending programs. In the past 6 months he has become as invisible as his VicePresident has been for the last several years.
There has been NO ONE at the helm except General Petraeus in Iraq, and of course, the Democrats , who managed to steer the Ship of State in their direction, so they could climb aboard, as they now have.


24 posted on 11/05/2008 6:55:43 AM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: pnh102

“Sorry, but aside from tax cuts, the courts and defense, Bush was the most liberal president in recent history. Bush may be a good man, but he destroyed the GOP, and especially the “conservative,” brand.”

That’s exactly what I’ve been preaching this morning to my fellow conservatives at work. Any conservative who doesn’t see that is in denial.


43 posted on 11/05/2008 7:00:31 AM PST by Honcho
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To: pnh102

B.S.


79 posted on 11/05/2008 7:37:01 AM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: pnh102
Sorry, but aside from tax cuts, the courts and defense

3 huge areas...Bush is no liberal.

Bush kept us out of Kyoto as well. I'll always thank him for that. Oh, and standing up for life again and again.

97 posted on 11/05/2008 9:00:42 AM PST by what's up
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To: pnh102
"Sorry, but aside from tax cuts, the courts and defense..."

Even those are lies that too many here tried to convince themselves of to try to defend the brand(R) or rationalize their support of a liberal.

Giving me $300 with the right hand while using the left to charge $3000 in programs on my credit is not giving me a "tax cut".

We had to fight him on judges or we would have wound up with Meirs and possibly the likes of Gonzales.

Rather than actually defending us by declaring a real war he engaged in a sort of weaponized meals-on-wheels, hearts and minds, nation building circus (and dropped the ball on that) while leaving terrorists and enemy insurgents walk freely into our country.

Those claiming The Clown Prince was conservative are only further damaging the brand to create a greater obstacle to party rebirth.

104 posted on 11/05/2008 9:47:24 AM PST by gnarledmaw (...their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories....)
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To: pnh102

The democrats support their own no matter what. If Charles Manson were the President, the dems would support him, defend him and support him some more just for shits and giggles. I know we take the higher moral and principled ground, but my friends it is time to abandon that approach because WAR has been declared.

Actually, war on this nation was declared long ago by the leftists who now have control over the democrat party and the White House and soon the judiciary. In war tough decisions must be made. So, Bush was not what we hoped for, neither was the Republican majority in congress. But they were our soldiers in this war for better or worse.

Nonetheless, we punished the Republicans in 2006 telling ourselves that we could get the majority back with “real conservatives.” We abandoned (actually the Republican abandonded) Bush which helped cost him his popularity (a chicken or the egg thing to be sure). We told ourselves it was allright because Bush was not a “real conservative.”

As it turns out, we failed to realize that we are at war. We failed to realize that the other side could care who they support or who they advance so long as that person helps them get power. If we hope to preserve this nation, we must adopt that approach no matter how distasteful. Tough decisions must be made in war.

Now, I am not saying that we select moderate candidates. Hell no. We should never have selected McModerate in the first place. I am simply stating that once a Republican is in office or is on the ballot or if he is accused of a crime we should support him if at all practicle. We must not rush to have our own resign when indicted democrats sit in government. We must support our guys in the GENERAL election. If we want to effect change within our party, the place to do it is the primaries not by “teaching a lesson” in a general election.

The price of not changing our ways? Ladies and Gentlemen may I present President Elect of the United States of America Barak Hussein Obama.


112 posted on 11/05/2008 12:15:57 PM PST by FlipWilson
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To: pnh102
Bush may be a good man, but he destroyed the GOP, and especially the “conservative,” brand.

He did not act alone - he had an army of RINO's marching to the left as well. Until the Republican party again embraces the idea of limited government, low taxes, and the elimination of the welfare state for able-bodied citizens (not to mention illegal aliens), they will continue to shrink.

I left the party in 2005 when, after the second attempt to push amnesty through, they lost me. They're just too tight with a handful of "preferred" entities, and too far away from the self-sufficient middle America that makes up the bulk of this country. They, like their "friends" across the aisle, prefer a larger, more intrusive government which is the opposite of what's needed if this country is to regain its position in the world.

124 posted on 11/05/2008 1:31:40 PM PST by meyer (The second amendment is NOT about hunting)
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