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The Treatment of Bush Has Been a Disgrace ~ What must our enemies be thinking? (former Kerry lawyer)
Wall Street Journal ^ | 11-5-08 | Jeffrey Scott Shapiro

Posted on 11/05/2008 12:02:40 AM PST by STARWISE

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To: republicanbred

You and everyone on this thread that’s showing some spine in the face of this Communist idiot and his kool-aid drinking followers gives me a lot of “hope,” lol. Thanks!


101 posted on 11/05/2008 1:20:04 AM PST by mbennett203 ("Bulrog, a tough brute ninja who has dedicated his life to eradicating the world from hippies.")
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

PING to #99 for your enlightenment!


102 posted on 11/05/2008 1:20:36 AM PST by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: STARWISE

It’s the continual character assassination of President Bush and the American people’s acceptance of it which led to the election of Barak Obama.


103 posted on 11/05/2008 1:22:19 AM PST by alnick
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

“On Iraq, I think time and perspective will make people realize what Bush accomplished in Iraq in the face of overwhelming domestic backbiting and recrimination. I think the Iraq invasion/reconstruction is one of the finest, most selfless acts in US foreign policy history.”

I’ll have to disagree on Iraq. In the long run, I expect Iraq will devolve to somewhere near the norm of other arab-muslim countries.

The public opinion is to get out, and without a permanent occupation, it will be left to the locals to work matters out like arab-muslims normally do.

But I hope it works out well. Don’t get me wrong on that.

If it works out badly, Bush gets the blame. If it works out well Obama gets the credit.

I recall at the time of Iraq I, it was the Powell doctrine to have a measure (metric) for when your clear objective was accomplished, and to have an exit plan. Bush I followed that doctrine precisely.

Bush II apparently never embraced or practiced it. America as a nation dislikes war, expecially discretionary ones—as we have had to relearn.


104 posted on 11/05/2008 1:22:32 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: STARWISE

“Want to apologize now or temper your words?”

I will temper this much. Whatever he did was not strong enough, and it is results that matter.

The GOP had majorities in both houses until 2006. Budgets and legislation came from GOP led committees.

Had the Bush led GOP felt it important enough, more could have and should have been done.

He had an Attorney General who could have investigated the mortgage industry. He had an SEC chairman who could have made the case for unsafe securities.

Bush is cannot be portrayed as having no responsibility for it, simply because warning letters are written.

Okay?


105 posted on 11/05/2008 1:34:26 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: STARWISE

AMEN AND AMEN. What a very sad night.


106 posted on 11/05/2008 1:35:34 AM PST by easternsky
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To: Allegra
The media created the persona that people see in President Bush. The media generated the low approval ratings. We now know that the media can manipulate anything they want.

Thank you. Unfortunately, the media is aware of that as well.

Unless and until the electorate decides to vote responsibly, i.e., actually researching what they're told by the news media, we're in deep trouble.

107 posted on 11/05/2008 1:42:50 AM PST by alnick
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To: American in Israel
Bush, McCain, and the RNC are responsible for what took place tonight. Out of the three last election cycles the RNC got one vote out of me. It wasn’t cast on 11/04/08.

No, that is the very reason the Democrats got control of the House and bankrupted the economy to get Obama in place.  You left out that I mentioned I did not cast votes for Democrats.  You also fail to realize that I did vote in Congressional races, for Republicans.

What's really sad though, is that you think it would be my fault that the Republicans lost Congress, and not theirs.  Please point out for me the earthshaking things the Republicans did between 2000 and 2006, that should have made folks support keeping them as the majority.  I can think of several right off.  Out of six years, that's about it.  Can you remember Dennis Hastert ever showing up on camera with fire in the belly pushing some Conservative program?  If you can, you're doing a lot better than I can.  Dennis Hastert will be remembered by the American public for having never done anything worth remembering.

Pelosi and Reed are out there hawking stuff constantly.  I'd wager much of the American public couldn't tell you who Dennis Hastert is/was.

How does protest voting feel now, you won!

These are the poll results for California at this time.  Take a moment to check them out.

U.S. President
Statewide Results (California)

72.0% ( 18,307 of 25,423 ) precincts partially or fully reporting as of Nov. 5, 2008, at 1:20 a.m.

Barack Obama (Dem)    4,700,085    60.5%   
John McCain (Rep)        2,927,764    37.7%


McCain is losing by about 1.7 million votes in my state at this moment.  You state that I won with one vote.

Bud, sorry, but I am not to blame for this fiasco.  You're going to have to find someone or something else to lay this off on.

Don't feel so bad, I learned this lesson the hard way when I watched this take place in Israel. They knew the conservative vote was being cheated and ignored so in mass, Israel conservatives protest voted. The result was in effect just was the US just got, a liberal super majority.  The only thing I feel bad about, is that I voted for Bob Dole once and George Bush once.  Neither of them qualify as Conservatives.  And now we're reaping the rewards of having a guy in there that didn't represent Conservatism.  If a guy does, I'll take my lumps.  If he doesn't, don't come laying blame at my doorstep.

Liberals got drunk with power and it is Amazing how much damage drunken liberals can do behind the wheel. It will take a generation to repair what it took two years to do, and they are only gaining speed!  Who made that possible?  Was it a party that unflinchingly differentiated itself from liberals, or a party that reached out by going along to get along?  We slit our own throats as Conservatives, and then act as if the liberals came up with some fantastic game winning play.  No, our team diluded itself by thinking it could win liberal votes by being closet liberals.  Liberals don't vote for closet liberals.  They vote for the real thing.  Our team makes this mistake constantly.  And I can guarantee you they will make the case that we need to move even further left today, because that is all that sells these days.

They act as if we had tried to sell Conservatism since 1988, and that is preposterous to everyone but the RNC and the Republicans who have lost their way.

Now I get to watch it happen in America too. :(

What you are watching in American is a party that is supposed to be Conservative, that tries to sell itself as Conservative, while implementing liberal great society and other less significant programs.

You should be frowning, but you should be doing it for the right reason.  You, I, and the rest of Conservatism are being betrayed by those refusing to implement Conservatism policies from leadership positions.  And when they fail us like this, they actually have the balls to tell us that Conservatism doesn't sell, when they haven't tried to sell it for twenty years.

My single vote caused this?  You don't believe that.

108 posted on 11/05/2008 1:48:23 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Our nation is uncomfortably close to having B.O. We need to use a Republican roll on by 11/04.)
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To: truth_seeker
Nobody likes going to war, but frankly, America has gotten very fat and very lazy. We did not go to war, war came to us. And because the war was so successful, we got to pretend we were not at war, and eat pizza and go to movies while blood and steel rained from the Sky and ditches in some land far away.

We sent our children of to fight and die, and kill to preserve our rights to eat pizza and pretend the world was not at war.

From my perspective, the blood and steel was raining from the sky every week in this town as the Jihadi blew up school buses and movie theaters. And that did not stop UNTIL AMERICA went to war! I have not heard a bomb here in Jerusalem for over two years. Get the picture, before the war was entered by America, I heard the bombs and screams in this city, from my bedroom window.

If Bush had not sent America to War, you could have heard the bombs and screams of the victims like me from your bedroom window.

It is a sound you never forget. Not having those memorys is a privilege that you have that I no longer have, and it was purchased by our kids listening to that sound so you do not have to.

NEVER FORGET, FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

I will always salute George Bush for what he did for America and the world. He bought us 8 more years. And now, seeing the MSM foam at the mouth at Sarah, and do every thing in their considerable power to throw this election, I understand that Bush has been painted in quite a different color than he actually is.

Bush is a hero, and I believe that history will show him as such. And I am just as guilty as anyone here in Bush bashing, if you take a look at my posts.

God Bless Bush, and God Bless America. Both will spend the rest of their lives with the result of their decisions.

It is hard to love Dad, when he is spanking you. But at least we know we are the ones that voted God out and Marxism in.

We chose Humanism as our god, History will show us the foolishness of that decision rather quickly. Evil man kick um when they are down. Obama, like Hitler will move very fast to consolidate power once he gets in the door.

109 posted on 11/05/2008 1:48:27 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: STARWISE
I think President Bush was a great president; like all great presidents, he had some failures, but overall, his successes were far greater.

However, we have had an unrelenting drumbeat from the MSM of vile negativity, just as we did with President Reagan. President Bush also split the base away from him with several key blunders, most especially with his strong support for illegal immigration which was hugely unpopular with his own constituents, and with his handling of the recent financial problems.

110 posted on 11/05/2008 1:49:30 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: STARWISE

“The proposition is only one example of the classless disrespect many Americans have shown the president.”

Should read “many Democrats/Liberals.”


111 posted on 11/05/2008 1:50:18 AM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: exist

Chimp.


112 posted on 11/05/2008 1:50:20 AM PST by Blue State Insurgent (IT'S A VAST WRIGHT WING CONSPIRACY)
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To: truth_seeker
Despite winning the nomination relatively early and leading after the GOP convention, McCain did not have or build an effective campaign infrastructure. McCain's lack of discipline and ad hoc style vexed many of the professionals who were eventually recruited to help run the general election effort.

Headstrong and impulsive, McCain, like a novice candidate, did not delegate campaign management to his organization but insisted on making (and sometimes suddenly reversing) many key campaign decisions. His long time habit was to do so through telephone calls in between campaign events.

When this was vetoed by aide Steven Schmidt after the convention, McCain insisted on presiding over large, unstructured weekend meetings that veered from topic topic. This slowed decision making — to crippling effect considering the exigencies of a major political campaign.

Even at that, if McCain might well have won if he had criticized and voted against the bailout. By doing so, he could have tapped into public angst over the the cost and expansion of federal power.

Instead, McCain declared the economy sound, but then, as if a dire emergency was at hand, suspended his campaign and jumped into the middle of the issue before the first debate. After that bit of ill chosen grandstanding, McCain owned both the economic problem and the unappealing bailout as the solution. His standing in the polls never recovered.

113 posted on 11/05/2008 1:51:10 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: highpockets

Totally agree - I noticed that a week or two ago.


114 posted on 11/05/2008 1:52:49 AM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: DoughtyOne
don’t expect me to be a part of it.

I don't expect you to be a part of it. In fact, I will do everything in my power to make sure you are not a part of it.

There was not one of the major contenders for the nomination that I would not have supported. Not one. Because I know that across this broad and diverse country there are differences as well as commonalities. That's why we have primaries. The candidates were vetted, probed and prodded. McCain came out on top. He wasn't the pick of te RNC, he was the pick of the people in the primary states, Northeast, South, Midwest and Southeast.

The objections that you had with McCain were nothing short of stark, raving lunacy. We can put up with some lunacy in exchange for support but when we get the lunacy and no support, we have a situation that calls for a parting of the ways. You are not going to sit out an election and then walk back in demanding the right to name a nominee. No, sir. Hit the road. There are other parties out there more suited to what you are looking for.

We have our Order of Battle and your name is not on it.

115 posted on 11/05/2008 1:57:41 AM PST by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP! It's gonna be a BIG one.)
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To: truth_seeker

Aaah .. I see. A quibbler. Changing the topic. Weak.


116 posted on 11/05/2008 1:57:50 AM PST by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: STARWISE
President Bush is a class act.

Neither McCain or the other one really come close IMO.

The contrast will be clearly seen in leadership quality in just a few short months...the quality of life under a real leader and under a boob like the one that just got elected.

God bless Pres. Bush.

117 posted on 11/05/2008 2:01:03 AM PST by what's up
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To: STARWISE

Hell is paved with good intentions. I never doubted Bush’s intentions, but Bush suffered by trying to be all things to all men. Whatever you may think of Bush’s approval ratings you must acknowledge such low ratings had to include both liberal and conservative Republicans. By failing to exercise his veto powers more freely Bush conveyed an image of weakness which fully exploited by the MSM and the liberals.


118 posted on 11/05/2008 2:01:12 AM PST by monocle
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To: DennisR

Should read “many Democrats/Liberals.”

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Actually, 99.2% of them.
Sadder are those of his own party who
demanded perfection in a flawed human
being, as we all are.

I guess that’s why Pres. Bush and
most of us value loyalty so much ..
it’s easier to be a turncoat.


119 posted on 11/05/2008 2:02:13 AM PST by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: DoughtyOne
No I do not believe that at all. Don't get me wrong, I was speaking at protest voting in a broad sense, not in a personal sense. I was hoping the rest of my post would show that.

Of course I do not personally blame you for what happened last night, dang, I like your posts. And frankly, I served as a great soap box for you to place your position in return.

I consider it a leg up, not standing on my head by the way.

You nailed it exactly right, we have not been given a chance to vote conservative for a long time. With my tin foil had on, I would say that was intentional.

This election showed one thing to me beyond dispute. This plan with Acorn, the Media, the high placed politicians in control of checking voter fraud blocking that very thing, with the liberal judges in place to make outrageous rulings in to block all opposition to the take over? Not an accident. While we were out fighting wars overseas, the enemy got behind the lines.

There were tens of thousands of contracts opened as puts against the SnP. (SPY) BEFORE the market crash. Someone with a lot of money and the inside scoop knew the market was going to crash. The volume spikes just before market close was not covering shorts, it was manipulation to feed the panic in the MSM.

The market was crashed by those who set up this election years ago. It was crashed to put Obama in office. Obama is a nobody, a senator with no history and no power.

Obama is a sock puppet, and the people who did this, and set up this election are quite willing to trash everybodys future for their power now. It does not bode well for our future, our new Master is willing to starve his slaves.

We were given a leftist to vote for in the Republican Party, and the Democrats fielded a Marxist.

We have been flim-flamed. And all that is left is to pay the piper for last nights dance in the streets.

Blessings on you my FRiend, I look forward to your posts, and forgive me for using you for a soap box without the grace to inform you till after the fact.

120 posted on 11/05/2008 2:02:37 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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