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Who is the new Newt?
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Posted on 11/04/2008 11:08:03 PM PST by HarryCaul

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To: PhiKapMom

But Cantor was one of the lead Republicans in the House rounding up GOP votes for the bailout.
I think Republicans going along with it is what lead to their losses, including McCain’s.


21 posted on 11/04/2008 11:19:02 PM PST by counterpunch (It's the SOCIALISM, Stupid!)
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To: FrdmLvr

McCotter would be a good guy in the house. He doesn’t necessarily have the charm, but he tells it like it is and sticks to his guns.


22 posted on 11/04/2008 11:22:42 PM PST by Harry Wurzbach (Joe The Plumber & Rep. Thaddeus McCotter are my heroes.)
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To: Arkinsaw

I posted this in another thread but it bears repeating as it needs to happen. We start with the House and that happens by getting Conservative Nationally known leaders to move to vulnerable Democrat Districts within red states. We need Tom DeLay, Michael Steele and yes, even Newt, to step up to the plate and run for the House or Senate from their new home base!


23 posted on 11/04/2008 11:24:43 PM PST by TerrisFriend ("I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me!" God Bless the U.S.A.!)
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To: FrdmLvr

Any word on the latest numbers from that race? I know its close.


24 posted on 11/04/2008 11:27:18 PM PST by SMCC1
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To: HarryCaul

Meet the new Newt, same as the old Newt.


25 posted on 11/04/2008 11:29:40 PM PST by line drive to right
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To: HarryCaul
A big thing to consider aside from the obvious conservative values is his/her method of delivery. If there's one thing that became clear during this election it is that the general voting population will buy whatever it is you're spewing if it's packaged and delivered right. Obama had no substance and a whole lot of shade under his tree, but he was so good at wrapping all that BS up in pretty paper and bows that half of the country didn't even look inside and smell the stink.
26 posted on 11/04/2008 11:35:11 PM PST by MissyPrissy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m in Louisiana...Jindal definitely needs to be on the team (as much as I would hate to lose him here, he won’t have much time left in his second term when 2012 rolls around). I have personally been in small gatherings where he gave a talk (he’s way to personable for speeches in those settings) and he is so likeable and easy to connect with. But he also has the policy wonkishness that we need to get things down on a pragmatic level...he’s got the mix!Oh, and he’s a real conservative!


27 posted on 11/04/2008 11:37:28 PM PST by kcmom
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To: counterpunch

That I agree with but Cantor worked for Boehner as the House Whip.

I would love to see him under Pence.


28 posted on 11/04/2008 11:38:52 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER LetsGetThisRight.com)
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To: The Watcher
"But it is obviously clear. Fred, God love ‘im, just started a PAC. But we don’t need a PAC. They get comfortable with being “in” in DC and that’s not what we need. We need people OUTSIDE the power structure who never forget, never give up, never become complacent and never compromise themselves to drive right thinking candidates to electoral success."

You are describing a new political party. Uncontaminated.

The Conservative Party.

yitbos

29 posted on 11/04/2008 11:40:25 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: PhiKapMom

Boner has to go.
Starting tomorrow.

Republicans have lost about 50 seats over two consecutive elections under Boner.
Boner single-handedly lost all of Newt’s gains from the Republican Revolution.
It is past time for him to go.


30 posted on 11/04/2008 11:42:06 PM PST by counterpunch (It's the SOCIALISM, Stupid!)
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To: HarryCaul
Your post seems to be an invitation to discuss the restructuring which has now become so painfully necessary. I have been thinking about this since before the election. Here is a post which incorporates previous posts which I leave intact to demonstrate that this is a problem which has been confronting the Republican brand for years:

Some hours before the last presidential debate I sat down and wrote out my expectations of things to come. The analysis is frankly pessimistic and will no doubt draw charges of defeatism. I admit that the polling numbers on the national level have improved somewhat for McCain which I did not anticipate, however, McCain is on the defensive in so many must win states that the landscape remains exceedingly grim. He is in trouble in Missouri, Virginia, Florida, Indiana, and Colorado, all of which he must win but in all of which he is behind in most polls.

The congressional races offer no hope of relief. Although I have lost track of the nuts and bolts analysis on a state-by-state basis, the overall trends are clear. Congressman Campbell (R-California) reports on Hugh Hewitt's show that the House races are looking much worse than he had anticipated. The losses will be severe. Michael Barone writes of the "likelihood" of a vetoproof Senate. When Michael Barone writes, I listen. We are all aware of the implications of a vetoproof Senate.

To anticipate the inevitable charges of defeatism, I cite the innumerable posts going back two years in which I predicted a terrible electoral catastrophe. I will take no pleasure in seeing those forecasts vindicated. Instead of whining, I say it's time to start looking ahead to find a way out of the wilderness into which we will be cast. Here is the analysis, a part of which I have previously posted:

After the debate will come a time of agonizing reassessment for conservatives. We conservatives as early as immediately after the debate and certainly no later than after election eve will unavoidably come to grips with the desperate straits of the movement. The Republican Party at the end of this election cycle will be reduced to the citadel of the old Confederacy and a few Rocky Mountain states.

We will be virtually leaderless, President Bush has already been discredited in the public mind and John McCain will have been cast aside as an eccentric loser who is past his prime. Virtually the only national voice of any elected official which the party will be able to muster will be Sarah Palin and her qualities are not yet honed and perfected to the degree necessary to function independently as the popular leader of a great American party. She has the natural gifts which could make her a legendary politician in the years to come. I hope she spends the long Alaska winters working on and polishing her public persona so that she never again will be exposed as she was by Katie Couric. She has the purity of spirit and she has the courage. With a little bit of forensic training and a leavening of gravitas, Sarah Palin might emerge as a great Republican leader. The question is, will she also emerge as a great conservative leader?

That leaves Mitt Romney, Governor Huckabee, Mayor Giuliani, Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter and Newt Gingrich. Of this group, Duncan Hunter is thoroughly sound but he does not have the charisma necessary to play the role of national party leader. Fred Thompson is also sound enough doctrinally but he is aging and he failed to show the vigor necessary in his halfhearted run for the nomination. [Nevertheless, his folksy charm sugarcoats some bitter medicine making him a wonderful spokesman for the party.]

Next in order of orthodoxy- accepting the candidates recent formulations of their own positions-comes Mit Romney. If one accepts his conversion on a few issues, especially abortion, he is doctrinally sound enough. Romney's problem, candidly, is his religion. He is a Mormon and there were enough bigots in the evangelical branch of the party to deny him the nomination. But the times like Republicans' fortunes have drastically changed and he might just be the man for this season, especially in view of his wonderful business biography during these times of financial stress. Romney would make an unmatched organizer and financier for the party. I think his interests lie more in running as a candidate than as a mechanic of party machinery. Nevertheless, he might be able to place in power some people with drive and business experience who can put the Republican house back in order after the neglect of the latter Bush years and the chaos of the McCain campaign. Romney will be running for the nomination the day after the election.

After Romney in order of conservative orthodoxy comes Mike Huckabee. He troubles many Republicans and conservatives because of his populist streak. Many conservatives find him unreliable on spending. However he is possessed of a very winning personality and would make a wonderful spokesman if placed in the right role for the party. I see Huckabee as a front man and a spokesman but not a knuckle cracking boss.

Mayor Giuliani is disqualified by virtue of his doctrinal unorthodoxy and his personal biography from any elected national position with one exception: he would make an excellent chairman of the Republican National Committee. He can make a hell of a speech and he can debate. He's a tiger and God knows we will need a tiger fighting for the party. We will need especially someone who can get press attention and hold the public's attention. More, we need someone who can kick ass and take names There's only one other figure who can match Giuliani in this regard.

And that figure is Newt Gingrich. However, he too has disqualified himself by virtue of his personal biography and he cannot get support of the rank and file for elected office. But he is a font of ideas at a time when the Republican Party is fresh out of any new ideas. We desperately need his intellectual energy. Do not forget that of all of the potential leaders of the party mentioned so far only one has demonstrated the capacity to organize a guerrilla against entrenched Democrat majorities and lead the party to victory and into majority status. Do not fail to remember that he did that in the teeth of resistance from the Rockefeller wing of the party. Gingrich can make a speech and he can marshal arguments and he can skewer Democrats without raising a sweat. Gingrich could also head the national party but I think there would be ill considered but widespread resistance to any move he might make in that direction. We must not be foolish and fail to somehow take advantage of Gingrich's political genius.

So we will be leaderless for a time while we get this sorted out but we need not be rudderless for long because we have several men who can take the tiller in steady hand and guide the ship out of these shoals and into blue waters. There will be finger-pointing and acrimony but that is necessary and good. We must rediscover our soul and that cannot be done without bloodletting.

Speaking of bloodletting, it is absolutely vital that the conservative wing of the party come to a final victory over the moderates or we conservatives simply must leave the party. There will be no better time, we will never have less to lose. We will be in control of most of the elected offices and we will be in solid red states, few though they may be. The moderates will be geographically scattered in occasional congressional seats with some odds and ends in statehouses. They will have their voices in the media and some access to money. Many of them will defect to the Democrat party. Some might become libertarians. But conservatives must get lean and mean and come to a clear understanding of who they are and what they stand for. Moderates can come along but only after capitulation. There is no sense taking stragglers and mutineers along into the wilderness.

Not less important than finding our soul, conservatives must ruthlessly enforce party discipline. That can only come after moderates are reconciled to conservative leadership or have gone their own way. There can be no doctrinal accommodation with moderates. There is nothing more to be gained by compromising principle for a few more votes in the caucus because the caucus will have no power anyway. Conservative power will come from the moral strength of ideas. Eventually, if Obama only perverts and does not subvert the constitutional system, the public will realize the moral corruption of the liberal regime.

I believe that the big battle in the party will not be between conservatives and moderates but between social conservatives and fiscal conservatives who are primarily libertarian. Both flavors of conservatives find common ground in strong defense. Fiscal conservatives are generally not as enthusiastic about Second Amendment rights, but the issue is not a dealbreaker. Social conservatives are almost universally fiscal conservatives but not all fiscal conservatives share social conservatives concerns about abortion and the ancillary issue of the morning after pill, education, religion in the public square, homosexual union, stem cell research, and pornography, marital fidelity as a prerequisite to public service, and evolution.

I consider myself to be a social conservative with a pesky libertarian reflex. In other words I am ferociously opposed to abortion but I am less exercised about what homosexuals are doing to each other in private. I am very concerned about the war being waged against Christians by our own governments but I'm not very exercised about adult pornography. I recite all of this because I think the way I resolved my apparent dilemma is the way everybody should do it: look for the victim and protect him. The classic arguments in support of legalizing alcohol, drugs, prostitution and gambling all point to the "absence" of a victim so the traditional conservative bias towards individual liberty weighs very heavily. But I sure see a victim in partial-birth abortion so I don't give a damn about the mother's convenience. Indeed, I see no reason to grant exceptions to prohibitions against abortion for incest or rape because those circumstances do not justify victimizing innocents, that is, to kill babies. Life of the mother exception, to the contrary, makes sense to me because one can identify the mother now as a victim. So if all conservatives would only just do as I do, (you know, be as reasonable as Henry Higgins and I) which is to weigh the balance in behalf of an identifiable victim but otherwise to respect individual liberty, we would find much overlapping common ground upon which to build long-lasting compromise.

If social conservatives would accept formulations of public morality the organizing principle of which is the protection of an identifiable victim rather than the vindication of a moral precept, fiscal conservatives and libertarians would be much more comfortable in the party. Fiscal conservatives, for their part, must go to bat for Christians when they are embattled by the secularists who would rob them of their faith through the arm of government. Fiscal conservatives owe Christian conservatives one more consideration, they must stop their smug condescension and their eye rolling whenever Christians express their faith in public. Consider for example the execrable figure of the son of William F. Buckley Jr. abandoning the McCain/Palin ticket for ill disguised abhorrence of Palin's faith. This is probably the last kind of bigotry that is socially acceptable in America but it must no longer be acceptable among conservatives. Buckley claims that he is a "small government conservative" but I claim that no matter how small his government, he is no conservative at all but something quite alien to us.

If the conservative movement is to be salvaged, this dichotomy will have to be resolved either along lines that I suggest or some other way. The alternative is a further splintering of the party and that would be very, very unfortunate.

Conservatives face one other dilemma where the choice is ultimately a moral one and no matter which side of the argument prevails, the cost is inevitably great. The Republic is obviously embarking on a accelerated venture into socialism which implies deprivation of fiscal as well as First Amendment and other traditional liberties. When this happened during the Great Depression the Supreme Court for a while upheld the Constitution against the tidal wave of public opinion demanding action. That all ended with a court packing scheme which did not succeed in packing the court but did succeed in forcing the court to turn its face from the Constitution. The nation is probably embarking on a parallel course under Obama in response to this financial crisis. There is really no hope that the Constitution can be invoked to protect property to stop that process. Conservatism will have to rationalize this radical departure from the Constitution and find new ground to oppose the nationalization of everything. This will be both an intellectual and a public-relations challenge. The temptation will be to do as John McCain has done, try to moderate rather than resist entirely the usurpation of our liberty and our property.

How conservatives can contrive to come out of the wilderness or whether they can come out at all cannot now be foreseen. Much depends on whether Obama merely perverts our institutions and traditional liberties or succeeds in subverting the Constitution à la Hugo Chavez. Obama has many tools short of violence and few institutional obstacles stand in his way. He has the overwhelming justification of the financial crisis which might well become a depression. He will pack the court. He will use the treaty making power to detour around our constitutional liberties. The propaganda machine will be overwhelming.

The bright side, if it can be counted as such, is that all will not be well on the left. Hillary will exercise her ambitions, inevitably at the expense of Obama. Every special-interest group will be calling in their IOUs. In the long run, an extreme leftist coalition cannot hold together unless it moves beyond our constitutional government toward some sort of repressive regime. I look for Stalin versus Trotsky wars on the left with the potential for these internicine battles to spin out of control.

Who knows where that will lead? Much depends on whether the left stays within the model of a representative democracy or seeks to extend its power with subversion of our historical liberties.


31 posted on 11/05/2008 12:06:48 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: bruinbirdman

NO, NOT A POLITICAL PARTY.

Political parties are chameleons. They resemble whoever runs the show. Another party will be ... just another party.

What’s needed is an organization to advance IDEAS AND PEOPLE, the first to get elected, and the second to form the GOP party chameleon into a conservative party.

If you just start another party, all you’re going to do is just start another chameleon, and that’s as useless as it gets. Parties forget principles and ideas, because they are corrupted by the pursuit of power. That’s why you need a NON PARTY ORGANIZATION OF GRASSROOTS PEOPLE who do not corrupt, to “keep the faith”.


32 posted on 11/05/2008 12:31:15 AM PST by The Watcher
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To: The Watcher
Newt's American Solutions.

yitbos

33 posted on 11/05/2008 12:47:34 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: counterpunch

the first name on my lips as well.


34 posted on 11/05/2008 12:53:22 AM PST by WillRain ("Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.")
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To: giotto

I assumed the opening question was asking about a current member of Congress.

There’s a lot of good young talenty afield in the land, but who is positioned in Congress to carry the fight to Pelosi and Obama?


35 posted on 11/05/2008 12:55:27 AM PST by WillRain ("Might have been the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.")
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To: line drive to right
Meet the new Newt, same as the old Newt.

Exactly right. Anyone dumb enough to poke their head up will be hated by most americans just like Newt when the media gets done with him/her and get nowhere.
36 posted on 11/05/2008 1:06:12 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: HarryCaul

Leadership is important and real leaders like Newt are savagely attacked by the press. When the dinosaur media finally collapses, we’ll have a much better chance of putting forth a real conservative leader.


37 posted on 11/05/2008 1:12:29 AM PST by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: HarryCaul

Are you delusional. What did Newt and his gang ever do to reduce the size of government. It is time for conservatives to wake up. We have been supporting second-rate Democrats who call themselves conservatives. Which Republicans are calling for the elimination of government agencies?
I am not even bother to continue writing this. Don’t see much hope here. Most of you have been on the big-government Republican bandwagon. As long as we are in control the feds can do no wrong.


38 posted on 11/05/2008 3:32:50 AM PST by all the best
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To: The Watcher

I’ve had a similar idea to this...but what I would add is, I think we need to draft in people from outside politics to start running in some of these races. I’m not sure if you saw, but a couple weeks ago there was an excellent interview in the Wall Street Journal of Fred Smith, CEO FedEx...he articulated what I believed and why I believed it far more effectively than McCain did the entire race. We’ve got hundreds of thousands of conservative military veterans fresh out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Let’s find some of them and run ‘em. Bring in successful guys from the corporate world, who have actually run something and managed something and have something to show for it.


39 posted on 11/05/2008 10:01:23 PM PST by votedfortheotherguy
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To: nathanbedford
Sorry to be jumping in so late. I've just read through your excellent series of "What is to be done" posts. And I'd like to propose an answer to the question "What can libertarians offer social conservatives?"

I'm a semi-libertarian with a pesky socon reflex. When I was younger (much) I was a LP dues-payer, but the dopers and baby-killers chased me out years ago.

What's available to compromise is this: A radically reduced Federal government, in size, scope, and power, will be much less able to hurt you and your family. A Federal government bound to its enumerated powers, and especially with the Department of Education abolished, will not be able to interfere in your personal life or subvert your faith and your ability to teach it to your children.

We came together in 1994 to elect a Congress bound to exactly those things. The people we sent to Washington betrayed us, lost their offices, and (as is the nature of two-party politics) have turned the affairs of the nation over to the enemy.

But we can still prosper IF we confine our purposes to putting the Federal beast back into its Constitutional cage.

Political Christians? I love 'em. America would be a better place if they were in charge.

But the ones I know are blind to the facts that 70% of the voters hate and fear them, and their active support is the kiss of death for any statewide or national candidate.

They need to meditate on Jesus' promise, "the world will hate you because of me", and hearken to his teaching that "My kingdom is not of this world".

Let's get back to "That government is best that governs least".

40 posted on 11/06/2008 9:33:16 AM PST by Jim Noble (I have read a fiery gospel, writ in burnished rows of steel)
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