Posted on 11/03/2008 11:20:35 AM PST by Sibre Fan
Hmmmm
Honestly this whole thing is rather confusing!
I thought it was the certificate of live birth that was the documentation of the baby’s birth location.
Then you need to construct a valid legal argument, based on existing law, neutralizing the acceptance of the certification and requiring disclosure of the sealed original BC.
Whining “a COLB isn’t enough” isn’t enough. The issue must be articulated legally. The RKBA crowd spent 70 years trying to figure this out (finally got _Heller_).
See the comment #12.
Is this judge a Democrat?
If he is, he should have recused himself.
What was funny to me (in an ironic sort of way) is that the State of Hawaii has different standards of proof, depending on whether or not money is involved. Why not require a BC for proof of citizenship? Because to the state, citizenship status is not as important as its bogus concept of “native authenticity.”
Again, why would he not release it?
My wife and I had to have our birth certificates, marriage certificate (for my wife), social security cards, and former state's drivers licenses to get our driver's licenses in New Hampshire.
How is it that this bastard child of a promiscuous mother doesn't have to present his COLB to verify he is eligible?
Who should he have to present it too? Us, we the people, we are his boss.
HS, the candidate needs to satisfy the conditions of eligibility, and he needs to do it now. McCain showed his because when this issue first cropped up Bozo and the boys switched it to McCain being born out of the country totally ignoring the fact he was born to two US citizens, one of whom was military personnel, making him a citizen even if he had been born on the moon. Bozo has offered no proof and the point is this: If he has a valid vault copy of his BC then why isn’t he showing it? Why keep showing a COLB over and over and sealing his real BC? Your arguments are not essential to this judgement. The judges in these cases should go ahead(in fact they have a duty to do so) and order Bozo to produce a vault copy of his BC because if he is a citizen then fine,if not then not so fine. Showing a BC in no way violates his civil rights nor infringes on his freedom. To argue otherwise is to argue for fraud.
No, it doesn't. HI issued COLBs for non-citizens, B.O.s sister is proof of that.
All the state did was attest to the existance of a vault copy (original). The state made no such statement that B.O. was a natural born citizen of HI.
IF he wins the situation changes.
But it is impossible to win a challenge if he was indeed born in the State of Hawaii.
I’m on your side. Really. We can’t win without presenting a compelling LEGAL argument. Whining coulda/woulda/shoulda isn’t enough.
The COLB shows the location of birth as Hawaii. It is certified as a true representation of the BC. End of Obama’s argument at this point, until someone presents a compelling LEGAL counter-argument. Whining “that’s not good enough!” isn’t enough.
Ok, maybe there is reason to show that a COLB isn’t enough. You have to provide a LEGAL justification of why that isn’t enough, such as finding someone else’s COLB showing they’re born here _and_ a BC showing they aren’t. THEN you have to show why the judge should care about YOU and your complaint, that you actually have standing (which, at this point, nobody has because he’s just a name on a ballot representing electors).
As for the privacy of the BC, how ‘bout I go get a copy of yours and publish it? Most jurisdictions rightfully limit access to personal BCs. One should have compelling LEGAL reason to access it.
The core point: you must be able to show _in_existing_law_ why BHO must reveal his BC. Good luck. If your response is another variation of “but he SHOULD...”, don’t bother. I agree with you, but that’s not going to get us anywhere.
I agree! We are SUPPOSED to be his boss. That is the problem - the powers that are trying to take over this country see it the other way around.
This is on the verge of being a constitutional crisis. I suppose they figure we’ll forget about it but we do so at our own peril. The laws need to be changed. We shouldn’t have a President who can’t get a Top Secret security clearance and who won’t verify his place of birth to the public.
Gosh and I thought those same Hawaiian officials said that the original document still remains under seal. If this document does not have the name of the doctor and the hospital on it, then its not worth the affidavit accompanying it.
Gosh and I thought those same Hawaiian officials said that the original document still remains under seal. If this document does not have the name of the doctor and the hospital on it, then its not worth the affidavit accompanying it.
Hope you've got your asbestos jammies on....
Don't you just love elevated, rational, issue-based debate?
Sorry, left "Commie" out of my description of his mother.
Update folks. I just checked http://www.whatsyourevidence.com - a rather (!) anti-Berg site. They have not posted this reported decision, and have added a note that they have information that it may not be “real.”
Given that that site has every “reason” to post information that contradicts Berg’s case, and still is calling reports of this case into question, I consider that a rather big deal, so am posting that as an update here.
Now I don’t know what to believe - and recognize that i’ll get flamed for this - but this poster’s prior posts on ObamaCrimes sounded very believable.
In the interest of full disclosure, am posting this as FYI.
I don’t find this article on the Obama Crimes website and the link pulls us into the comments section where I still don’t see it.
You are saying the judge is lying about having seen a valid certificate?
He may have seem a COLB. Different documents.
All I know is what I read and this ruling says it has seen evidence that he was born in Honolulu. This could be a lie I realize.
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