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Did you guys catch Fox and Friends - Big Coal Discussion

Posted on 11/03/2008 4:59:35 AM PST by DocT111

They were hammering Clare McCaskill (D-MO) defending Obama's comments - she was talking out of both sides of her mouth.

Totally funny - the next guest they had on for the economy totally debunked McCaskill on taxes. She said that under Obama plan the tax rate will be no higher than Regan's. The guest said that Reagan's rate was 28% - with Obama it's 43-45% (I can't remember the exact number)


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: coal; energy; johnmccain; mccain; mccainpalin; palin
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To: DocT111

EVERYTHING Obama says “taken out of context” according to his surrogates.

How dumb do they think people are?


21 posted on 11/03/2008 5:14:54 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama is not qualified for the FBI, but he is qualified for the Presidency????)
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To: Red in Blue PA
How dumb do they think people are?

That is what B Hussein is banking on.

22 posted on 11/03/2008 5:16:04 AM PST by tiredoflaundry (Mac/Sarah '08)
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To: DocT111

i saw the coal hitting the fan...


23 posted on 11/03/2008 5:17:05 AM PST by Principled (They used the CRA to undermine capitalism. They're using ACORN to undermine democracy.)
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To: DocT111
I know this fact is probably over the heads of 99% of DemonRAT voters. Instead of arguing the minute details of this rate vs that rate, hammer them on a simple fact. Individuals, families, and businesses are already paying hugely higher taxes than poor people do. It's a percentage right off the top that you don't escape from. By the time a small business or a large business pays it's tax bill to the Feds, State, and local authorities, plus property tax, etc. they are left with a tiny, tiny percentage to create capital wealth with.
Only that tiny amount can be used to grow the business, hire more workers and fund any growth. Every dollar you take away for government, takes away jobs.
24 posted on 11/03/2008 5:17:22 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Never argue with an idiot, they always wear you down and beat you with experience)
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To: Red in Blue PA
EVERYTHING Obama says “taken out of context” according to his surrogates.

That is because there is no context. He lives in a vaccuum and his past is a void.

25 posted on 11/03/2008 5:17:51 AM PST by mlocher (USA is a sovereign nation)
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To: DocT111

Just to illustrate how “trickle-down misery” is the negative counterpart of Supply Side economics, look at the impact to just one related industry if Obama succeeds in killing the coal industry.

Coal is far and away the number one commodity moved by America’s railroads.

Under Obama we would see the following Doobie Brothers lyric come to pass “You see them long trains runnin’ And you watch them disappear”.


26 posted on 11/03/2008 5:19:34 AM PST by Yankee
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To: DocT111
It's a shame E.D.Hill or Megan Kendall wasn't doing the interview , they'd a ripped her a new hiney when she went into her spin cycle . They let her spin unchallenged too much . Pawlenty was able to re coupe some .
27 posted on 11/03/2008 5:21:17 AM PST by lionheart 247365 ((Socialism . . . a catalyst for apathy on the road to communism ))
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To: DocT111

Have we already forgotten Biden’s comments that there will be NO coal plants here in America.

That we should be buying coal from China.


28 posted on 11/03/2008 5:25:18 AM PST by Carley (The media understands credentials but does NOT understand principles.)
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To: DocT111

I wonder how the lower energy prices will playout with this debate. Wasn’t McCain supporting Cap and Trade bill?


29 posted on 11/03/2008 5:27:41 AM PST by sickoflibs ( Obama's "95% Middle Class" ="those not paying taxes who deserve YOUR wealth")
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To: DocT111
Consequences of Obama Tax Plan: Slower Output, Job Growth

The Heritage Foundation recently published an evaluation of the candidates’ tax plans. This analysis assumed the tax reductions of 2001 and 2003 expired on schedule, or at the end of 2010, and that each tax plan reacted to what would be a very large tax increase if Congress and the president do nothing. John McCain’s tax plan, which makes all of the tax reductions permanent (among other things), produces more than twice as much economic activity as Barack Obama’s plan, which makes those tax reductions permanent only for taxpayers with incomes below $250,000.

The current law baseline that we used in this recently published analysis is not the only baseline that analysts employ to study the effects of policy change. Many, including other members of Heritage’s budget team (see JD Foster’s work here and here) and analysts on the Obama campaign staff, sometimes use a “current policy” baseline. That baseline assumes that current policies, like the Bush tax reductions, continue forward. Obama assumes “current policy” on spending and “current law” on tax policy.

Specifically, what would be the likely economic effects of Obama’s tax plan if one assumed the current policy baseline, or that the Bush tax reductions were made permanent, say this year?
For McCain, that alternative assumption means the principal remaining change to tax policy is his massive reduction in the corporate profits tax, from the current level of 35% to 25%. That tax reduction alone raises employment by an annual average of 182,000 and economic output by an average of $35 billion. However, the rest of his tax plan is, in fact, making the Bush tax cuts permanent, which the alternative scenario assumes that Congress already has done.

For Obama, however, the effects are quite different. Some of his current plan is covered under the alternative assumption: most of the Bush tax reductions are made permanent for taxpayers under $250,000. However, Obama raises ordinary income tax rates for taxpayers above $250,000 and also raises the tax rates on dividend and capital gains income as well as federal death taxes. In addition, he creates a number of new and expanded credits and deductions for taxpayers below that income level that are not contained in the Bush tax program. SNIP

HERITAGE FOUNDATION

60% of Americans would pay in federal income taxes under Obama's tax plan while the 5% of Americans who already pay 60% of the total tax bill would be squeezed hard to pay even more.

During Reagan's tenure, income tax rates of the top personal tax bracket dropped from 70% to 28% in 7 years,[9] while payroll taxes increased as well as the effective tax rates on the lower two income quintiles.[10][11] Real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth recovered strongly after the 1982 recession and grew during Reagan's remaining years in office at an annual rate of 3.4% per year,[12] slightly lower than the post-World War II average of 3.6%.[13] Unemployment peaked at over 10.7% percent in 1982 then dropped during the rest of Reagan's terms, and inflation significantly decreased.[14] A net job increase of about 16 million also occurred (about the rate of population growth).

30 posted on 11/03/2008 5:31:10 AM PST by fight_truth_decay (First, they came for Joe....then they came for you!)
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To: DocT111

I saw Fox for just a moment this morning, but the hosts were talking about something BO said about coal companies and the word “bankruptcy.” What was the gist of that? Has BO said he’s going to put the coal companies out of business?


31 posted on 11/03/2008 5:32:39 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no such thing as a good tax." Winston Churchill)
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To: MrChips

Clare is fingernails on a blackboard every time she speaks.


32 posted on 11/03/2008 5:33:01 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: DocT111
A little ancient history...
Obama says stronger than McCain on climate change Sat Feb 9, 2008
U.S. presidential hopeful Barack Obama promised on Friday to start working on an international pact to reduce global warming if he becomes the Democratic nominee, touting his plan to reduce U.S. emissions as stronger than that of Republican front-runner John McCain.

Snip...Obama, an Illinois senator who is battling New York Senator Hillary Clinton to become their party's presidential nominee, said he would start developing the U.S. position on a pact to replace the Kyoto Protocol before the general election in November.
Snip..."The moment I secure the nomination, I want to bring together experts in this area to start putting together the U.S. position ... what we're going to be doing internally, what we can agree to with other countries," he said.
Of which we've heard not a peep.

Snip..."I know that my climate change plan is stronger than John McCain's," Obama said, citing his intention to make industrial polluters pay for the right to emit greenhouse gases.

Snip... Obama said his plan was superior to McCain's because it required companies to buy all of those permits up front -- a process known as auctioning.
"I've been very specific about proposing 100 percent auctioning, which makes an enormous difference in terms of how effective it's going to be," Obama said.

Is it going to bankrupt anybody wanting to build clean coal plants.

33 posted on 11/03/2008 5:33:35 AM PST by philman_36
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To: RexBeach
Has BO said he’s going to put the coal companies out of business?

Yes.

34 posted on 11/03/2008 5:36:58 AM PST by randita
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To: RexBeach
Could BHO be having to work in the BLUE areas of Ohio? Hmmm...

Yesterday morning, a tape was uncovered and put up on youtube where Obambi stated (in January of this year) that through the carbon credit scheme he was proposing, it would be so expensive to build a coal-fired power plant that it would bankrupt the company trying to build it. It goes along with what Joe Biden said about having 'no more coal plants built in the US'.

Bottom line is that these two idiots will destroy the energy infrastructure of this country if elected.

35 posted on 11/03/2008 5:38:38 AM PST by meyer (The second amendment is NOT about hunting)
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To: randita

Well, I am astonished. Coal provides America with nearly 55% of its energy.

That idea just doesn’t make sense.

But then, we are talking about BO here.


36 posted on 11/03/2008 5:38:58 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no such thing as a good tax." Winston Churchill)
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To: meyer

Wow - database glitch. The text to which I was responding is not the text that put at the top of my post. Maybe I forgot to copy before I pasted. ;-)


37 posted on 11/03/2008 5:40:50 AM PST by meyer (The second amendment is NOT about hunting)
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To: randita

I hope that tape of Obama is going up on Mc Cain ads in Ohio, PA and VA today.


38 posted on 11/03/2008 5:41:00 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: Yankee

Once I built a railroad,
Made it run.
Made it race against time.
Once I built a railroad,
Now it’s done.
Brother, can you spare a dime?


39 posted on 11/03/2008 5:56:05 AM PST by Roccus (Someday it'll all make sense.............maybe.)
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To: DocT111

Lawrence Eagleburger was on again this morning—WOW! I wish his words could be made into a commercial and played across the country. He blasted Barry calling him a charlatan, someone who is buying the election with dirty funds and using ACORN for voter fraud. Yesterday he said—God help this country if he is elected.


40 posted on 11/03/2008 6:02:06 AM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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