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To: sgtyork
"Its on how to best address the suffering of the poor. Christians believe that charity benefits the giver as well as the receiver. Socialists believe that there must be government coercion to help the poor."

That is a good summary of the situation. I gather your position is that if a voter advocates some of common tax money to care for the poor then he is a socialist. I don't think that because a voter advocate the government to get involved makes them a socialist more so than advocating government bailouts makes Bush a socialist.

Peter had his own way to put it. 'Gold or silver I have none but what I have I give you. In the name of Jesus, rise and walk.' I doubt the Roman government would have helped.

65 posted on 11/02/2008 11:48:37 AM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ex-snook

Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

Back when I was a deluded Democratic voter I recall that we were told that Johnson would bring an end to poverty. 4 Trillion dollars later, poverty still exists, and our well meaning efforts to ‘address the suffering of the poor’ has increased their suffering a great deal. In the meantime I have learned that this is the mark of Socialism, increasing misery for all by coercing citizens behavior.

There are probably some sound governmental means to improve the lot of the poor like vocational training, unemployment, some drug programs. But any clear thinking person has to admit that providing welfare checks only to households where fathers were not present destroyed millions of families. That building high-rise free housing ended with dangerous in-human warehouses. Government ‘help’ dehumanizes the recipient.

As for government bailouts - yes, I wretch and I see the danger of socialism in them. But its just so simplistic to blame Bush (other than hiring Henry Paulson and wasn’t that on Chuck Schumer’s recommendation?). I have read widely about this and it is clear that Bush was trying to bring up Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac reform along with John McCain

But go to the root of this problem. They tell us its a mortgage meltdown. Why are mortgages melting-down? Because again - Mr Government - in the corpus of Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, and Barach O’bama decided that THEY knew better than banks who should get loans. Rather than respect decades of sound business practices, THEY could coerce the citizens (you and me) to provide credit and thus help the poor. Hmmmmm smells like socialism - from the prime purveyors of socialism.

Well that worked out well.

Kind of proves my point- governments helping the poor by coercion = Socialism = failure.


68 posted on 11/02/2008 12:19:44 PM PST by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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