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Between the lines: Handgun law robs the city
SF City Hall Examiner ^ | Melissa Griffin

Posted on 10/30/2008 7:49:30 PM PDT by marktwain

The California State Constitution does not contain a right to bear arms. So why was San Francisco’s handgun ban get struck down in State Court? (You’d go to federal court to argue about the second amendment in the U.S Constitution.) Because the State Constitution does contain a provision that local governments cannot pass laws that conflict with state laws. (Art. XI, sec. 7.) This is called “preemption” – which is a fancypants legal term for “if two laws conflict, the biggest government wins.”

In 1982, the State Appeals Court held that state laws controlling licensing and registration of guns “preempt” local laws related to the possession of handguns in peoples’ homes. (Doe v. City and County of San Francisco, 136 Cal.App.3d 509, 518 (1982) Download doe_v_ccsf.rtf.) In 2005, San Franciscans nevertheless voted for Proposition H, which banned all City residents from possessing handguns within San Francisco. (Download 2005_prop_h.pdf.) Might this not have been the best idea?

It’s hard to blame the voters. When Mistermayor said, “It clearly will be thrown out [in court]…it’s so overtly pre-empted,” Prop H champion Supervisor Chris Daly made the whimsically optimistic statement, “We’ve crafted the measure carefully so it has a chance to withstand a challenge of state pre-emption.” And voters were all: a whole “chance”? Git-r-done! Prop H passed with 58% of the vote.

Predictably, the National Rifle Association along with several other folks filed a lawsuit in San Francisco Superior Court as soon as Prop H was passed. The plaintiffs won, so the handgun ban was never put into effect. (Download fiscal_lower_court_decision.pdf.) Undeterred, The City appealed that ruling, and lost again. (Download appeals_order_fiscal_case.pdf.) Then The City tried to get the State Supreme Court to hear the case but was refused. Eh, it’s over. Right?

Not so fast. There is still the teensy little matter of plaintiffs’ attorney fees, which, because our handgun ban had exactly zero chance of surviving a legal challenge, The City will almost certainly be ordered to pay. (Man, this is so embarrassing.) Last Thursday the Rules Committee of the Board of Supervisors considered a proposal by the Office of the City Attorney to settle the plaintiffs’ claims for attorney’s fees for $380,000.

(To be clear: this $380k figure does not include the cost for our City attorneys to litigate this impossible case all the way to the State Supreme Court – a figure that is likely a few hundred thousand dollars.)

Daly sits on the Rules Committee and voted against the proposed settlement. So, you know, hope springs eternal even when money does not.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; california; handgunban; sanfrancisco
Nice to see that someone is at least complaining about stupidity.
1 posted on 10/30/2008 7:49:30 PM PDT by marktwain
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I LOVE IT that San Francisco is on the hook for its own stupidity.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 10/30/2008 8:04:53 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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The California State Constitution does not contain a right to bear arms

It doesn't contain the right to inhale and exhale either. Some rights are INHERENT, the important ones, that is.
3 posted on 10/30/2008 8:07:23 PM PDT by Infidel Puppy
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Apparently, however, no one in California seems to feel that constitutionqal rights pre-empt state rights; nor that unalienable rights, endowed by the Creator, pre-empt the rights of assorted brain dead Lefties to legislate any variety of fanciful nonsense they please.


4 posted on 10/31/2008 3:09:15 AM PDT by Jack Hammer (here)
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The California State Constitution does not contain a right to bear arms.

The California State Constitution contains an explicit incorporation of the Federal Bill of Rights, ergo it does.

5 posted on 10/31/2008 6:47:55 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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My lefty neighbors bitch slapped by the courts and $380,000 in City funds going to the NRA’s attorneys.

Good to see my tax dollars going for something useful for a change.


6 posted on 11/01/2008 12:45:32 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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In 2005, San Franciscans nevertheless voted for Proposition H, which banned all City residents from possessing handguns within San Francisco.
How does that apply to police officers? Do they have to live outside the city to be able to carry guns at work?
7 posted on 11/26/2008 8:03:05 AM PST by dbz77
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