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To: Danae

I don’t think this is right. If he was born in Hawaii to an American mother, he’s a citizen and that’s the end of it.

The real news value of this tape seems to be what Michelle reportedly said on the phone (e.g. calling white conservatives “evil” and “racist,” stating that Obama was actually adopted by his stepfather, etc.). This sounds so much like her.


29 posted on 10/29/2008 12:22:44 AM PDT by kesg
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To: kesg

Correct, if Obama had US citizenship when he was adopted (assuming he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather), then he kept his US citizenship. The Supreme Court is quite adamant on this point. Unless a naturalized citizen has lied on his citizenship application (i.e. Auschwitz guards who forgets to mention that part of his resume), it is impossible for an American to involuntarily lose his citizenship. Otherwise, An adult citizen can only lose his citizenship if he voluntarily appears at a US consulate abroad and renounces his US citizenship.

No evidence Obama ever did that as an adult or a child (a minor’s renunciation would be ignored by Uncle Sam anyway for want of maturity).


41 posted on 10/29/2008 12:38:48 AM PDT by Maximum Leader (run from a knife, close on a gun)
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To: kesg

If he immigrated to Indonesia he would have lost US citizenship.


50 posted on 10/29/2008 12:53:47 AM PDT by screaminsunshine
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To: kesg

You don’t understand the problem. If BO was adopted by Suetoro legally, BO even as a child gave up his American Citizenship because the Indonesian law at that time did not allow for dual citizenship.

This is why it has been posted that BO traveled to Pakistan in 1981 on an Indonesian passport. BTW, it was illegal in 1981 for US citizens to even GO to Pakistan, so that makes BO’s trip even more bizarre.

Renouncing, even in childhood, US citizenship, makes you ineligible for POTUS.

His birth in Hawaii, though is also in some dispute. If he was born in Kenya with a US citizen mom, that would make him a US citizen normally BUT the law at that time said you had to be a US citizen for ten years, five of which were after you were 14, to give your children citizenship. BO’s mother was only 18 when he was born. So if he was born in Kenya, he strikes out again as POTUS.

The fact BO has not been forthright in all this, sneaky Hawaii trip without family to see dying grandma, etc., is the REAL concern that something is amiss. Why didn’t he just do what McCain did? Hand over the bc? Why is it sealed? Why are his college records sealed? Where are the documents that establish WHO THIS GUY REALLY IS?

We don’t know. They are hiding something.


64 posted on 10/29/2008 1:25:57 AM PDT by IreneE (Live for nothing or die for something.)
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