Posted on 10/24/2008 8:11:49 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
In his e-mail to his church members he writes: "For 5,000 years, every culture and every religion - not just Christianity - has defined marriage as a contract between men and women,” Warren wrote. “There is no reason to change the universal, historical definition of marriage to appease 2% of our population.”
On the Saddleback site there is video of him discussing the issue, here.
Prop 8 has just about as much chance of passing in California as McCain has of winning the state. I’m not necessarily happy about it, but that’s the way it is.
“I work for a large public corporation that shall remain nameless...”
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I retired from a large publicly owned corporation (top 20) that shall also remain nameless...
We had “Diversity Training” which lasted one week. Everyone was required to attend and it was duly noted in personnel folders. I guess anyone who messed up had to go back for another week of indoctrination.
Talk about painful with plenty of us just biting our tongues while “chosen minority attendees” preened and strutted around, exuding their belief that “we got you now, whitey!”
Thank God I’m retired. Things like Diversity Training help me to never regret deciding to grab the retirement brass ring.
Don’t count it out yet. Yes on Prop 8 could win due to the huge Hispanic population that don’t go for “that” culture plus it won the last time the the same type of proposition was introduced years ago.
It’s those imbecile lefty judges who will eventually overturn it though.
Apple’s website condemns it and says it has donated $100,000 toward its defeat. Takes some of the shine off my MacBook Pro.
Even a broken clock can be right twice a day?
I hate being a wet blanket, but I'm afraid you'll just have "marriage" by another name as before - domestic partnerships - with the force of law behind it. The same incrementalism will continue to chip away at traditional moral norms in California, and, I'm afraid to say, much of America by osmosis. It seems when a door is shut against radical leftism, they are already creeping though unguarded windows. We give some ground as a consolation prize when our side wins ("you can't have marriage, but we'll give you civil unions"), only to discover that the battle line has been almost unnoticeably shifted toward us, backing us further into a smaller space.
Unless true Americans actually take back ground - this means RECRIMINALIZING sodomy in those states where it was the law before Lawrence - we can expect to continue to be backed into a corner.
That said, I'll still be overjoyed when Prop 8 passes.
What if you refused to attend diversity training - on religious grounds?
What if you refused to attend diversity training - on religious grounds?
“Every time you turn around, there’s some Diversity Meeting, and Diversity meeting includes gays”
They can’t force you to attend these brainwashing sessions. Contact “Alliance Defense Fund”. They have defended Christians who are being discriminated against by companies who hold these ‘diversity’ sessions.
“They can’t force you to attend these brainwashing sessions.” If I refuse to attend diversity meetings, I will lose my job. My company is laying people off like crazy, so the word is out that you have to do extra fluff stuff like diversity meetings to seem busy. If I tell my boss I won’t do the diversity stuff, I have no doubt that I will be added to the list of people to be laid off. My company will be careful not to link my getting laid off to my refusing to do diversity stuff, and that would work because they’re laying off hundreds of people besides me because business stinks. Even in better economic times, if you go on the record as being wary of the gay stuff, you, at best, have just ensured that you will never be promoted at that company. Further, you will face the same obstacle at virtually all of your companies’ competitors. This really is how bad things are.
“What if you refused to attend diversity training - on religious grounds?”
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I guess you could press that case but who pays the cost of your legal case? If you win, or the employer caves, have you won a pyrrhic victory? I would guess that to be the case.
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