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Catholic Church Condemns Socialism
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Posted on 10/24/2008 9:20:42 AM PDT by VinceASA
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To: ChurtleDawg
Distributism was Chesterton’s failed attempt to produce a working model of Church social encyclicals put into practice.
Its failure reflects only the limitations of its theorists, and should not be presented as the teaching of the Church, which does not advocate any particular social or economic system.
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posted on
10/24/2008 12:26:53 PM PDT
by
Philo-Junius
(One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
To: ChurtleDawg
I think we are in agreement on Church position here. My main point is that the Church condemns redistribution of wealth by state mandate (socialism).
Your point is that the Church does not condone unchecked capitalism. I agree.
The way promoted by the Church is indeed in the middle of this, as is laid out in Rerum Novarum and the later affirming encyclicals:
1. Laws to protect private property
2. Laws to protect the masses from being enslaved
3. State promotion of good charitable and social programs (not necessarily running them)
4. A pervasive morality in which the wealthy willingly share out of a sense of personal charitable duty.
#1 indicates support of some form of a flat tax rate, but admitedly, this is my interpretation.
It’s refreshing to encounter another Catholic that actually reads Church teachings. Forgive me if my tone seemed argumentative.
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posted on
10/24/2008 12:35:28 PM PDT
by
VinceASA
To: ChurtleDawg
Just for the record, the USCCB is not a doctrinal body.
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posted on
10/24/2008 12:42:57 PM PDT
by
wiley
To: VinceASA
"4. A pervasive morality in which the wealthy willingly share out of a sense of personal charitable duty.
Maybe this is a quibble, but if the rich are sharing out of a sense of duty, it still isn't charity.
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posted on
10/24/2008 12:47:57 PM PDT
by
Philo-Junius
(One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
To: VinceASA
If the Catholic Church is so opposed to socialism, then why hasn’t Father Pfleger been excommunicated?
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posted on
10/24/2008 12:51:05 PM PDT
by
bassmaner
(Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
To: VinceASA
I find that the Catholic Church has some of the best critiques of modern society, if one cares to read them. There is so much deep insight. I often find that the more I think about it, the more right the Magisterium’s teachings are on sound both moral AND practical levels-—and that is not just on theological matters.
The world would be a much better place if more people listened to what the Catholic Church has to say.
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posted on
10/24/2008 1:03:54 PM PDT
by
ChurtleDawg
(voting only encourages them)
To: VinceASA
Excellent post and thanks!!
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posted on
10/24/2008 1:06:55 PM PDT
by
DarthVader
(Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
To: VinceASA
Thanks for the lesson. I grew up Catholic and was surprised to see this headline. I assumed the church was for socialism, since they were for illegals invading our country and told us we can to keep them and support them.
To: VinceASA
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posted on
10/25/2008 12:50:28 AM PDT
by
Salvation
( †With God all things are possible.†)
To: ElkGroveDan
Updated: American Bishops who have spoken against Pelosi
Here is the complete list of American bishops who have responded to Nancy Pelosi's comments so far:
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... Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, chairman of the Committee on Doctrine, joined him
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Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh and...
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... Bishop Oscar Cantu, his auxiliary bishop, has joined him
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Cardinal
Francis George of Chicago, President of the US Bishops,
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{Last updated on September 10th.}
Notes:
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Previous #23 has been removed. Bishop Joseph Gossman of Raleigh, NC is actually the bishop emeritus, and the new bishop, Michael Burbidge has not, to my knowledge, made a personal statement.
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Previous #16 has also been removed, it was an erroneous duplication of current #13.
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#26 was added September 10th, although he published his column September 6th
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posted on
10/25/2008 12:51:03 AM PDT
by
Salvation
( †With God all things are possible.†)
To: wmfights
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posted on
10/25/2008 12:52:22 AM PDT
by
Salvation
( †With God all things are possible.†)
To: wiley
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posted on
10/25/2008 12:54:05 AM PDT
by
Salvation
( †With God all things are possible.†)
To: CottonBall
You mis-state Catholic Church guidelines.
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posted on
10/25/2008 12:56:05 AM PDT
by
Salvation
( †With God all things are possible.†)
To: Salvation
Thanks for the link. I've seen it before, very impressive.
From what I've seen a great many RC Bishops have spoken out very strongly about not supporting candidates that don't want to protect the most innocent and defenseless. My pastor as well as most in the Evangelical churches have done the same. When election day comes we will find out how many of our members are 7 day a week Christians or Sunday go to meeting Christians.
I think this lack of church discipline is not limited to any one church. We all have to confront it in our own church's. My cousin has been drinking the bambi kool-aid and no matter how many times we discuss infanticide and abortion he tries to deflect the issue somewhere else. Thanks for the link I'll be sending it to him.
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posted on
10/25/2008 9:05:14 AM PDT
by
wmfights
(Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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