Ellen Degeneres flexes market muscle to combat Sarah Palin, Proposition 8 maggot gagger)

Metroweekly ^ | 10/23/08 | staff (infection)

[pissant]

''I don't know if you saw this, but vice presidential candidate Governor Sarah Palin says that she's in favor of a Federal ban on gay marriage. Basically, she wants to change the Constitution. So, if you're wondering -- I'm sure you are -- how I feel about this, I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't agree.... And maybe it's because I'm gay that I think we should all be equal, but, um, I feel that we're all equal. And I don't know what people are scared of. You know, maybe they think that their children will be influenced. And I gotta say, I was raised by two heterosexuals, I was surrounded by heterosexuals -- just everywhere I looked: heterosexuals. And they did not influen -- I mean, I dabbled in high school, who didn't? ... People are gonna be who they're gonna be, and we need to learn to love them for who they are and let them love who they want to love.''

Talk show host Ellen Degeneres on the set of her TV program speaking about Sarah Palin's public admission on the 700 Club that she wishes to have a Federal ban on gay marriage but then immediately expressed that she wasn't going to sit in judgment of anyone. Degeneres, of course, famously married her long-time girlfriend, Portia de Rossi, earlier this year when California's Supreme Court concluded that same-sex marriages be made legal on the grounds that it is a civil rights issue. (NY Daily News)

[RedMonqey]

Marriage is a contract.

Marriage is much more than a contract. If it is just a contract then a lawyer could be hired to finish out the details of who's what and what's responsibile or required to both parties mutual agreement.

The homosexuals want society's endorsement... even at the point of a gun.

Marriage is a endorsement of the bonding of a man and a woman to carry the values of society, to ensure the next generation and pass these values onto the next generation.

As for a " bull can marry a sheep for all I care."

Animals have no rights nor recognize the rights of other animals. That's why the animals are animals.

[Oldpuppymax]

Nothing whatever to do with “equality” here, Ellen. You are trying to make the aberrant behavior of homosexuals “equal” to the heterosexual behavior which has been considered normal since man has existed. This only makes sense to you and your ilk.

[yldstrk]

Ellen ick

[linn37]

Ellen has the right to her view. I don’t think she should use her show as a platform. Last time she pulled that she lost.

[newzjunkey]

You missed the point. Marriage is a contract. It isn't concerned with reproduction. There's no fertility test in order to get a marriage license. There's no minimum number of children required either.

Marriage is a contract which spells out a collection of rights and responsibilities between the parties. Further homosexuals can still have children legal through scientific means or, in some jurisdictions, adoption.

Your arguments hold no merit when it comes to civil marriage and why a secular government shouldn't care if two men, two women or a man and a woman want to marry.

[goldstategop]

Children need a father and a father. The primary purpose of marriage is reproduction. No same gender couple can accomplish it. Marriage is about adult responsibility to the next generation. That is why it is has been always restricted to a man and a woman. Who is going to further the future of society if marriage is made completely optional, just another lifestyle choice? And do we really want children subjected to a vast and untested social experiment, the consequences of which no one can fully foresee? Never mind the questions surrounding parental rights and religious conscience. That's why California must act to protect traditional marriage for all time.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Lazlar]

“””Marriage is much more than a contract”””

It can be and should be, but it does not
need the government to get involved

“””The homosexuals want society’s endorsement... “”””

That is exactly why the government should stay out of the marriage business,
The government does not represent society. Why should they ?
They are just some dudes that work for us.

“””And society has a real interest in regulating,
through government, maternity and paternity”””

LOL, Yep. Put them in charge of everything,
even life itself. Government knows best /sarc

[goldstategop]

Oops. I meant a father and a mother.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Lazlar]

“””Children need a father and a father”””

Humans need Freedom from your governments.

Freedom is how everything happens best.

[Trailerpark Badass]

Further homosexuals can still have children legal through scientific means or, in some jurisdictions, adoption.

LOL, no. Those children are still conceived through sexual reproduction. Go back to biology class.

If you think the raising of children, which has traditionally been done through sanctioning the marriage of one man and one woman, is not an appropriate matter for civil society to manage, you're clueless. the fact that no-fault divorce and all the other subsequent assaults on the traditional family structure are already full blown in their effects is a point that supports my position, not yours. But I get your point, our society is so far in the gutter, why not let homos marry?

[goldstategop]

A typo. I meant a father AND a mother. But to the homosexual crowd and the Left, gender is an irrelevant characteristic for the constitution of the family. Opposite pairing up is unneeded to create a family unit, in their world view.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[goldstategop]

If our society is that far down in the gutter, no one should have a problem with polygamy. Or incest or with bestiality. The possible number of combinations to create sexual unions is left up only to the imagination.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Trailerpark Badass]

If our society is that far down in the gutter, no one should have a problem with polygamy. Or incest or with bestiality. The possible number of combinations to create sexual unions is left up only to the imagination.

I think the only thing they couldn't justify is pedophilia, using the libertarian notion that childen cannot consent. I suppose they can say, well, no we won't push for bestiality because animals cannot give consent, but would animals have consciousness of being violated? I guess they could say it's animal cruelty, but what if the animal is not harmed? I suppose they could say, well, but the animal wouldn't enjoy it, but how would they know that?

But you're right, how can they so blithely mock conservatives' concerns about ultimately normalizing incest and polygamy.

And why do they mock religious polygamy? Would they have a problem with polygamy if it were a bunch of dudes? Or how about a whole gang of gays and bi's of both sexes? How do they logically say that will never be the next step? When they cast aside the traditional definition of marriage, where do they get the basis for the one man-one man/one woman-one woman gay marriage paradigm?

[goldstategop]

Its the old "slippery slope" argument. Where do you draw the line? Other people have claims that strike people today as bizarre but no less justiciable. You can't limit marriage rights to gays and lesbians only. That's to use their own argument - writing discrimination into the law. Restricting marriage to a man and a woman avoids this problem and its a positive form of discrimination because it benefits the entire society.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

[Trailerpark Badass]

Restricting marriage to a man and a woman avoids this problem and its a positive form of discrimination because it benefits the entire society.

It also has a pretty iron-clad foundation in the laws of nature, as well.

All homos have is "two people love each other."

What in the world does that matter?

[happygrl]

Ellen may be able to slap her girlfriend around

Eww... sit down beside me and tell me more...

[massgopguy]

After which, Hollywood started questioning Anne Heche’s sanity.

[RedMonqey]

After which, Hollywood started questioning Anne Heche?s sanity.

Naw.

It's her box office appeal they question. Insanity is status quo in Hollywood.