Pop told me 40 years ago, don't go there in conversations.
The ability to discuss such topics logically, courteously, and dispassionately is a skill that used to be common among educated Americans. Unfortunately it's largely been lost. Public schools would sow the seeds of their own destruction if they taught courses on logic, critical thinking, or debate. Their purpose now is to indoctrinate and turn out ignorant and easily manipulable "graduates".