Posted on 10/21/2008 9:14:12 AM PDT by pissant
One of the most intense allegations of the ongoing lawsuit against Sen. Barack Obama alleging ineligibility for the presidency is whether or not Mr. Obama can produce his birth certificate.
If Mr. Obama were to produce his birth certificate, it would lay the entire question to rest. It would prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the U.S. government officially recognizes Mr. Obama's citizenship. The Obama campaign says that it has already produced this document, a scanned copy of which is available at the campaign's "Fight the Smears" Web site.
One point critics of Mr. Obama have made is the fact that the document posted is not, in fact, a birth certificate. It is a birth certification, which is a computer-generated printout of a birth record. A certification is a cheap print-off for people who have lost their original birth certificates. For most people, there is little practical difference between a certificate of live birth and a certification of live birth, although the certification requires extra verification when being used like a birth certificate.
Because of the tenuous nature of identifying a certification of birth as genuine, it requires an embossed seal and authoritative signature. The low-resolution scan available on the Obama campaign Web site appears to have neither of those. The ink from a date stamp, "June 6, 2007," is visible clearly, but it appears that the document does not have a seal or signature. The campaign only scanned the front of the document.
Without the seal and signature, the document on the Obama Web site lacks legal weight, and does not count as representing the official birth record of Mr. Obama.
Philip Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, has filed suit against Mr. Obama, alleging that he is not legally qualified to serve as president. He has indicated that if Mr. Obama were to produce certified documents proving that he is a natural born citizen, he will withdraw his case.
Mr. Berg maintains that Mr. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen, but others wonder if there are more reasons why Mr. Obama and the Democratic National
Committee have not laid the question to rest by releasing the documents. Some think that there may be embarrassing information about Mr. Obama that could be inferred from the papers.
The original birth certificate would normally have an entry for religion, and many suppose he would have been listed as Muslim, an image Mr. Obama has worked hard to distance himself from. Others think it might have shown that his parents were not legally married, even though Mr. Obama contends that his parents were married in good faith before separating upon discovering his father had never divorced his last wife.
The Obama campaign says that the idea that Mr. Obama is not natural born is preposterous and cites the certification of birth as an example. But until a physical and verifiable document is produced for their critics, the lawsuit is expected to continue.
I have my son’s original Hawaiian issued Birth Certificate from 1989, and it looks no like Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth.
Why can’t he locate his original?
“We’ve seen his birth certificate, which proves he was born there. “
Stop lying. You have not seen his birth certificate. No one has.
The word back then (1961) was "Negro." (As in UNCF) In earlier times the word was "colored". (As in NAACP.)
“Why can’t he locate his original?”
His dog ate it.
Strangely enough, in Kenya that depends on religion. Muslims of the Luo tribe (Obama's tribe) call themselves "Arab."
He left it at the Mosque!
The low-res PDF that those three sources analayzed is old news. Please look at post 26 on this thread for a high-res picture of the actual birh certificate.
Could it be a forgery? I suppose anything is possible. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof which, frankly, I'm just not seeing.
One of his female cousins,in a video,stated how the muslims in kenya would all be so proud of him to be elected president of the united states, because he was originally from Kenya.
Obama's lawyers are, quite intelligently, refusing to play along with a man who is clearly a kook. They want to get his suit dismissed, rather than taking an action (delivering the birth certificate) which could be implied to mean that they take his case seriously. Obama's campaign position is that there is no doubt that he qualifies for the Presidency, therefore they are not going to deign to respond to Berg's actual allegations- they're just going to get his cased dismissed before it even gets to that point.
So you think that if there was 3 lawsuits doubting Palin’s citizenship and a Canadian grandmother claiming she was in the delivery room when she was born in Canada the story would never see the light of day in the MSM?
Obama Blade! Missing filing dates will not get the suit dismissed.
Please see post 26 for a high-res picture of his birth certificate.
The COLB, however is photoshopped.
So you keep claiming, without any evidence, other than some obscure claims from internet posters.
Well, feller, if you don’t know the difference between a COLB and a birth certificate, I have to assume you work at FactCheck. Adios til next time.
Like I said, dual citizenship is perfectly legal under American law, as is having multiple passports. I am a citizen of three countries and have passports from all of them. I hgave no idea what Indonesian law is when it comes to dual citizenship, but I am not aware of any evidence that Obama renounced his American citizenship at any time. The claim that he must have renounces his US citizenship to become an Indonesian citizen is purely circular.
Citizen you sound like a spy here among the Freepers!
And you sound paranoid. If you're interested, I became involved in these threads in order to clear up some misconceptions about immigration law as I am somewhat familiar with the subject since I am a recently naturalized US citizen.
I think we’d be raising hell about frivolous lawsuits.
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Which only shows that he was an Indonesian citizen, in addition to his US citizenship. That is perfectly legal under US law.
Thanks..
Didn’t know that...
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Actually, in 1961, ‘Negro’ would have been the entry for race, or if you lived in the South, it would have been ‘Colored.’ I found that out when applying for a driver’s license in Mississippi in 1969 and put a ‘C’ down for my race (caucasian). The sheriff wasn’t amused.
“He left it at the Mosque!”
Just before his dog ate it!
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I have no problem with proving eligibility ... I have a problem with running with internet rumors and random conjecture as if it were true.
I think this whole thing is a rabbit-trail and a waste of time. I think it distracts from the dozens of true reasons not to elect Barack Obama. And, I think it makes our side look like a bunch of nuts.
He was born in Hawaii ... lets move on to something more productive.
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