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What?? ***acorn Was Co-funded By William Ayres!!!***
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Posted on 10/18/2008 9:42:36 AM PDT by dascallie

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To: Scutter

Not a procedural screw up, just some VERY heavy pressure from way up the food chain. Remember, this case was being prosecuted during the days of the Jimmy Carter administration, and they were always much more keen on procedure than on actually carrying out a prosecution, and besides, this guy may be useful again sometime in the future. Counting on the doctrine of “double jeopardy”, in which a person may not be tried for the same crime twice (what a laugh THAT is), once Bill Ayers got off on these charges, they could never be brought against him again.

First, some dots. William Charles Ayers is the son of Thomas Ayers, a VERY big deal in Chicago and Illinois Democrat circles, and who was influential on a number of different boards. From his obituary:

“EVANSTON, Ill. -— Thomas G. Ayers, 92, who was a member of the Northwestern University Board of Trustees for 30 years, died June 8 at his home in Hyde Park.

A memorial service was held Friday (June 15) in Thorne Auditorium at the School of Law.

Mr. Ayers, who became a member of the Board of Trustees in 1966, served as chairman from 1975 to 1986. He became a Life Trustee in 1987 and, in recognition of his service to the University, the 164-student residence hall at 2324 Campus Drive was renamed the Ayers Residential College of Commerce and Industry in 1984.

During his tenure as chairman of the board, he was instrumental in the success of several fund-raising campaigns, the expansion of undergraduate housing, funding for deferred maintenance of the physical plant and strengthening of athletic programs.

After receiving a bachelor’s degree from the University of Michigan, Mr. Ayers in 1938 joined Public Service Co., then a subsidiary of Commonwealth Edison Co. He became president of Commonwealth Edison in 1963 and served as its chief executive officer and president from 1973 to 1980.

A long-time civic and business leader, Mr. Ayers served as chairman of the Metropolitan Crusade of Mercy, president of the Chicago Association of Commerce and Industry and a member of the boards of the Chicago Symphony and Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke’s Medical Center. He served as chairman of the Leadership Council for Metropolitan Open Communities and was honored as the 1973 “Man of the Year” by the Chicago Urban League. He also served on the board of directors of G.D. Searle & Co., Sears Roebuck & Co., Zenith Corp., Northwest Industries, First National Bank of Chicago and Tribune Co.

Mr. Ayers received honorary degrees from DePaul University and Elmhurst College.

He is survived by four sons, William, John, Richard and Thomas Jr.; a daughter, Catherine Allen; 10 grandchildren; and four great-grandchildren.”

So you messed with young Bill Ayeres only at your own great peril in Chicago, and with clout like that, Thomas Ayers could reach all the way into the White House in 1980, causing much of the evidence to be rebranded as “tainted”, therefore resulting in a mistrial, and freeing of a known and confessed criminal terrorist.


21 posted on 10/18/2008 11:14:45 AM PDT by alloysteel (Respect your critical thinkers and plumbers, so your philosophies and your pipes both hold water.)
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To: SE Mom; Admin Moderator
We need to get a handle on this. This kind of stuff only works to undermine the truth, which is sufficiently damning to BHO, re: Ayers.

ACORN WAS FUNDED BY AYERS AND OBAMA, NOT FOUNDED BY AYERS.

These thread titles need to be fixed. The folks at the HRC forum need to fix their thread as well.

PLEASE FIX THIS, HERE and HERE.

22 posted on 10/18/2008 11:24:52 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Fresh Wind
It only says it was founded by Wade Rathke, a comrade of Ayers. It does our cause no good to spread lies.

Thank You. An inference from a video doth not research make.

23 posted on 10/18/2008 11:25:52 AM PDT by Skid Marx
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"It’s WRONG. ACORN was founded be SEIU founder, Rathke."

You're right. Walter and Wade Rathke. Walter embezzled one million dollars from ACORN. The family never reported it as they had planned on paying it all off. However, Walter has been indicted I believe, and the case will be tried sometime after the elections (of course!).

24 posted on 10/18/2008 11:33:09 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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P.S. The founder of the Tides Foundation paid off Walter’s debt.


25 posted on 10/18/2008 11:35:13 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Skid Marx

There is no such inference in the video. It’s very clear, Klonsky and Ayers started the Small Schools Workshop, a former SDS’er founded ACORN, and Obama/Ayers funded both.

The items were segregated in the video to avoid precisely this sort of misunderstanding.


26 posted on 10/18/2008 11:35:23 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: JasonC; jude24; alloysteel

Thanks for the explanations. It’s truly disgusting that this guy is still breathing air.


27 posted on 10/18/2008 11:35:33 AM PDT by Scutter
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To: SE Mom
OBAMA TRANSITION TEAM LEAD, JOHN PODESTA, WORKED WITH FLORIDA ACORN IN 2004
28 posted on 10/18/2008 11:38:11 AM PDT by Fort McCain
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To: Scutter
"the evaluation by that company was that it was not worth continuing with exploration"

It kind of goes like this;

(1) The lawyers realized early on that they could get rich by manipulating the legal system.

(2) They also realized that the easiest way to manipulate the system would be if they made the laws.

(3) They proceeded to get themselves elected to our legislatures and proceeded to make our laws better, for themselves. That meant that the laws had to be more complicated. Notice old laws are not repealed, instead news laws are made to make the old ones better(look at the fix for the credit crunch and you will see no repeal of the old laws that caused it).

(4) After generations of lawyers making the law better we now have a legal system that has next to nothing to do with justice but more about generating revenue for lawyers.

(5) Now you get just as much justice as you can afford and Ayers has either a lot of money backing him or he has control of a lot of money.

29 posted on 10/18/2008 11:41:20 AM PDT by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: dascallie; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; Admin Moderator
The video does not say that ACORN was FOUNDED by Ayers. It says it was funded by Ayers & Obama through their foundations. Both of these threads have factually incorrect titles and they make us look... well, not smart.

Post #23, from the person who made the video, on the other thread:

I don’t think the video says ACORN was founded by Ayers... I think it says that ACORN and Weather Underground were both formed out of SDS...

Correct. Ayers and Rathke were SDS members together. Ayers former WUO in 1968, Rathke formed ACORN in 1970. Both groups are breakaways from Students for a Democratic Society.

Ayers and Obama helped finance ACORN together at the Annenberg Challenge, then again at the Woods Fund.

Klonsky, another SDS'er, received Annenberg grants from Obama/Ayers for a different project, the Small Schools Workshop (which was also created by Ayers; Klonsky was pulled from his job as a cab driver to run Small Schools).

Also, until very recently, Klonsky ran a blog on Obama's official website until the campaign scrubbed it.

One big happy Hyde Park family.


We need both titles fixed ASAP.
30 posted on 10/18/2008 11:47:51 AM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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