Posted on 10/17/2008 5:41:40 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
I’m in 100% agreement. When McCain won the primaries, I was seriously distempered. Almost considered sitting this one out.
But Obama is the worst candidate to run for the Presidency in the history of the country. He is an evil megalomaniac, marxist, lying, radical, racist, probably Muslim, hateful thug.
He cannot win.
Where do you surmise she’s not coming back ? She’s connected with the people in a way unseen since Reagan. Even if McCain loses, she has to be the 2012 nominee.
roamer_1: “”electability” or “pragmatism” is a myth.”
Come back and tell me that again after McCain or Obama win the election. This isn’t a primary, and the outcome isn’t in doubt—it’s one of two candidates.
Barr and Baldwin, if they were truly principled, would work with McCain to create a coalition win if possible. Perhaps they could wrest a concession or two from McCain (in return for their support) that would actually move the conservative cause forward. No. They’d rather risk an Obama administration.
You claim my route is the risky one. I disagree. I think it’s very, very risky to put your hopes for a future conservative win on an Obama presidency. Yeah, maybe they’ll screw the country up so bad we’ll gain some seats someday. Trouble is, the country has to be screwed up first, and there’s no guarantee of the latter.
I know I’m not going to reach you with these arguments, but I hope other FReepers are more rational.
Didn’t some pundits say that about Reagan? Now, I’m not saying that Palin is another Reagan, but, if McCain Palin lose this year, and Gov. Palin puts in the really hard work for the next 4, whose to say she can’t make it?
One tiny ray of light: John Stossel on ABC’s 20/20 tonight had an entire show that was basically a great takedown of socialism / big government. He had Walter Williams and others on, extensively, making great points. Then Stossel would documenting them with real life examples and situations, such as the miserable gov’t rebuilding effort in New Orleans (compared to volunteer efforts.) Rarely (since Reagan?) have I seen a presentation that would “get through” to the average voter so well, on the subject of citizen power vs. government power. If that show could could be shown to every voter, a good conservative could win easily.
Here’s the link to the 20/20 “Politically Incorrect” show, or, should I say, a summary of such. To actually obtain it, ABC wants 30 bucks (ouch).
Oops, here it is:
I think she believes in John McCain. The Press will paint her as the reason McCain failed if he loses. Americans have a short memory. Think about it.
F**K the press. They’re nothing but the propaganda/terrorist arm of the Democrats. If McCain loses, it won’t be because of Palin (who if anything BROUGHT IN more votes as a result — in fact, she’s the only reason I COULD vote for the ticket, since I personally can’t stand McCain, and had he chosen that party-killing lying liberal scum Slick Willard instead, I just might’ve voted for the totalitarian pig from Kenya), if will be because McCain refused to go to the mat to win and because of the greatest mass-scale voter fraud on behalf of the rodent party in the history of the country.
I’m glad I caught a nerve. They will blame Palin. See? (Women of the world, be warned it’s an attack on a Woman in the White House)
Anyway, your opt-out thinking next time is anybody’s guess. Obama vs Jindal maybe.
“I have to emphasize here that I believe this election has already been stolen”
I don’t have much faith in the election system either - from voter registration to voting machines. We need to purge the rolls nationwide and start over...and paper ballots only.
It certainly is in doubt- thanks largely to pragmatism over principle. If there were a principled Conservative Republican candidate, there would be a 10pt lead right now. It is the foolishness of "electability" that has made this election a question mark at best, and quite possibly, a rout.
Barr and Baldwin, if they were truly principled, would work with McCain to create a coalition win if possible.
McCain't and his ilk are in direct opposition to Conservatism- One might just as well assemble a coalition with liberal Democrats. What a silly suggestion.
Coalitions are far more likely (in fact, nearly guaranteed) between libertarian minded groups and Conservative Republicans- I don't think you should be surprised when those coalitions fall apart when Republicans quit espousing anything remotely resembling Conservative views.
The same can be said of Social Conservatives, who for all the hype, are still not particularly flocking to McCain't. Coalition comes easily when Conservative Republicans speak of socially Conservative ideals.
One could go just as far as to say the solidarity that the Republican candidate would normally enjoy from financial Conservatives would be much more robust as well- FICONS are abandoning McCain't in droves since the bailout, and since his abortive plans to jump start the economy have been revealed.
But gee, having two of the three pillars of Conservatism more than a bit disgruntled at the candidate is the electorate's fault, eh? Certainly, the blame cannot fall upon the wandering eye and tin ear of the RNC, or the less than lustrous credentials of the candidate- It must be the voters or the 3rd party candidates who are not being principled.
Oddly enough, one could have chosen a principled Conservative in the first place- that would have been the thing to do in the primary- Then one would have a ready built coalition to lean upon. One already tried and true, called the Reagan Coalition.
You are right. The Republican primary is long gone, and if (when, I believe) the Republican ticket goes down in flames, know it was lost in that primary, when the blue states chose to put down the candidates that would have held the Republican base together, and chose instead the fallacy of pragmatism.
Oh, and BTW:
I put my hopes in no such thing. I put my hopes in what I believe in. I vote *for* what is true.
One doesn't vote *against* anything. If we Conservatives followed your plan, and did come out en masse to vote *against* 0bama, irrespective of our position on McCain't, would that election be viewed as a vote against 0bama, or a landslide mandate *for* McCain't?
So we would wind up giving him a mandate approval *for* his socialist nonsense. As it is, he can barely muster enough support to stay in the game, despite 0bama being the most natural enemy of Conservatives one could find. If he ekes out a success, it will not be a mandate, that much should be evident by now.
No, I will stick to the plan laid out by the fathers; that being to vote for the best man, and to sleep the sleep of the just.
Duty is ours, results are God's. -John Quincy Adams
Don’t expect anything logical to work on these folks. But thanks for trying!
And I’m glad McCain is going to ANWR.
You’re major issues should be dealt with after the election. That’s the time to try to hold McCain accountable.
In the meantime, your constant carping is ridiculous and not helpful. And, yes, it facilitates the Obama-love in this world.
Is it so hard to understand that there is a time and place for everything?
I take it from your post that you haven’t cast that ballot yet.
OTOH, you can be very sure that Obama will follow through on what he has said about appointing radical judges.
So choose.
If you can vote, you should be old enough to realize that carping during the last two weeks of a presidential campaign between (your view) a RINO and a Marxist is simply narcisstic temper-tantrums on the part of childish myopics.
Okay. I think I will join the rest of the freepers who have decided not to feed the whiners any more.
Don’t feed his egomania.
On to something positive and actually helpful to our country in terms of getting McCain elected!
Ummm...earth to newbie...did you read the post to which you are replying? The poster said he had marked his absentee ballot FOR the McMaverick.
Another thread passionately called for a ban on RINOs on this forum. While I certainly enjoy the benefits of free speech, may I humbly suggest a ban on posters who do not read the article or post?
No, wait, I'd be out, too ;)
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