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To: xcamel; Gondring; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
You dear, are completely daft.

I'm not sure if I buy the downstream corrosion by oxygen argument, but his basic premise is sound. Excessive use of a number of things can have deleterious effects and require regulation. A classic example is nitrogen fertilizer. There is NO doubt that nitrogen is an essential nutrient for plant growth. That's why farmers put nitrogen-containing fertilizer on fields. It's good, it enhances productivity. But excess use is wasted, and it runs off the fields, into the waterways, and causes in-stream and downstream problems, primarily due to enhanced algal growth which leads to reduction of dissolved oxygen in the water -- which kills fish, bottom dwellers, like tasty crab and shrimp -- and also lower light levels, which kills seagrasses where larval fish and baby crabs and shrimp and other things hang out. So nitrogen fertilzer use in agriculture should be regulated. Same goes for phosphates in fertilizers and also in detergents.

IF the climate change effects of CO2 will become deleterious to the environment -- I'm pretty sure you know where I stand on that -- then excess CO2 from industrial emissions should be regulated. Despite everybody's love of bringing up the fact that we exhale CO2, the natural system is generally in balance*. It is the imbalance due to human activities, which is causing rapidly increasing concentrations of atmospheric CO2, that needs to be addressed.

* In fact, if you look closely at the best flux estimates, were it not for human activites, atmospheric CO2 concentrations would probably be decreasing very slowly. I.e., without human activities, the natural fluxes out of the atmosphere exceed the natural fluxes into the atmosphere. (That includes all respiring organisms, from bacteria to humans.)

As always, I think it should be addressed technologically rather than economically. Just read an article yesterday about solar power stations in space -- might work, and also give NASA a stake in the national economy rather than just being primarily a research organization.

91 posted on 10/17/2008 6:35:38 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator
then excess CO2 from industrial emissions should be regulated

A nice turn of phrase using the word "industrial". But residential power users will take the biggest hit. But you are right that we might as well get used to the fact that Obama will likely win and no matter who wins we will end up with some sort of policy. Need to minimize the harm of that policy since we all know the climate benefits of it will be nil.

98 posted on 10/17/2008 6:48:18 AM PDT by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: cogitator

“As always, I think it should be addressed technologically rather than economically.”

Would you then be in favor of setting emmission levels and allowing the emitters to either adapt emission controls or mandate schemes such as cap and trade allowances, regulated markets and rationing?

I started out this year with the idea of adding an attic fan, recovering my worn kitchen floor and replacing my patio dorr with a leakproofed one.

After paying excess taxes and bailing out both my kids families, I have only the attic fan.


122 posted on 10/17/2008 8:53:12 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: cogitator

Solar energy, unattenuated by an atmospheric barrier. Nice!


133 posted on 10/17/2008 1:55:25 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Communism's only killed 100 million people; let's try it again! Obamao for President!)
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