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To: JohnBovenmyer

$12,000? I am quite certain that the insurance I had through work, until recently, did not cost our company THAT much.

That said, if one can get as good an individual plan as the company group plan, for the same money, one comes out ahead, IF your employer pays you that amount. But if all the employers dump their employee health care plans, where does McCain get the money to give away the $5000? It seems to me he’s roughly $2000 short, and like I said, I would not think most employee plans (to be paid to the employee as income instead) would generate even $3000 in tax revenue.) Am I missing something?

I have to admit, McCain does a terrible job of explaining his plan, and I have not even heard him addressing how it helps with the long term goal of reducing costs, though I think it would.

BTW, the animated GIF is not working for me...


6,644 posted on 10/16/2008 12:24:39 AM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Paul R.

Too bad McCain did not mention the pics Ayers has on his office door even today — maybe he could have tied that into the “what’s wrong with education” discussion! If Ayers is considered a “respected professor”, then somebody needs to be pointing out just what his clearly stated socialist views are — he doesn’t hide them like Obama...


6,645 posted on 10/16/2008 12:42:52 AM PDT by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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I don’t know why we keep expecting the media to be honest. I saw a huge McCain win tonight.I guess its the optimist in me but I expected the media to see the same thing, but of course they saw an Obama win. Last I checked FoxNews says the polls are in and Obama was the big winner. Probably the stupid internet polls that the libs always seem to get to first. I finaly realized one thing tonight. We have no friends in the media. Not even FoxNews. Maybe Shawn Hannity, thats it. I feel horrible for John McCain and Sarah Palin. He is such an honorable man. I wonder how he can continue to love this country so much. I wonder if he ever thinks the torture he went through for years and the broken body he lives with every day, wasn’t even worth it. Sarah Palin answered the call to serve her country when we needed her so badly. She has been through hell and gets no recognition for it. If we lose, her light that shone so bright and the promise of such a brilliant career in politics will just fade away. I wonder if she regrets it. I wonder if they think America has let them down. One thing I know, we are on our own. FoxNews was my last hope of an unbiased media even though it had become a pretty slim hope. We have to hold up JM and SP. We have to let them know we are still fighting for them. Sorry for being so cynical. I guess I’m just tired. Tomorrow will be a better day.


6,646 posted on 10/16/2008 12:47:40 AM PDT by beckysueb (Drill here! Drill now!)
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To: Paul R.
I agree that $12000 sounds high. McCain also disagrees it is too high, but that is the number Obama has been citing so I used it in 'my' example inspired by the American Spectator piece on McCain's plan. McCain claims his plan has be scored as revenue neutral for the government. I don't know whether that is true or not, but Obama hasn't been attacking on that issue. But when has angst over the accuracy of budget scoring ever given us more than heartburn? As best as I can figure he's moving whatever net tax break exists for the business taxes to the personal taxes and averaging it across that somewhat larger population base. Those with gold plated health care plans will lose some benefits to pay for giving some benefits to those who currently have none. McCain did try to make that point last night, and it should sell with Obama leaners if he'd just make it better. Not explaining the plan risks being McCain's final flaw; explaining it should put him over the top as Obama is heavily invested in attacking the plan.

Alas animated gifs are a flaky technology that doesn't work the same for all users in the best of circumstances. I don't know how to make it work better. Making it into a video of a powerpoint presentation would be smoother and probably work for more folks, but I didn't have the time and ability to make that. I hope someone can view my animated gif, improve on it and post it where it can go viral.

6,691 posted on 10/16/2008 6:50:47 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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