[RogerFGay]

I don't see any end to the argument, so I was just hoping we could mutually understand one another and agree to disagree. As a factual matter, I haven't seen evidence to support what you're saying. It wasn't even her divorce and her sister and brother-in-law ended up with joint custody. It's certainly far from clear to say the least. So, what's the value of focusing on that question at the expense of focusing on real issues in a concrete way?

Sarah Palin has also been accused of forcing rape victims to pay for their own kits, whatever those are, and she apparently opposed withholding energy cost reimbursement checks from non-custodial fathers for child support. All I can see so far is that she's now McCain's girl and McCain (Republican Party) has worked hard at avoiding positive change. There's the real meat of the issue in my view.

[An American In Dairyland]

I don't see any end to the argument, so I was just hoping we could mutually understand one another and agree to disagree.

Only so long as you do not continue to point out the wrongs and the need to change them while continuing to ignore the track record of one candidate who you still cheerlead for here. That is hypocrisy pure and simple.

As a factual matter, I haven't seen evidence to support what you're saying.

Are you saying you didn't even bother to read my entire post yesterday to you on usenet? Why do I even bother? I HAVE proof. The investigator FOUND real legal documents from Judge Suddock in Family Court that are proof.

I pointed out yesterday that you, like almost everyone else never ask to see the proof. I have links. I've said this to you before. Do you want them? If so, I'll email them to you BUT if you're not going to read them then say so because I don't want to waste my time.

It wasn't even her divorce and her sister and brother-in-law ended up with joint custody. It's certainly far from clear to say the least.

Far from clear now? Give me a break. Read Branchflower's report. HE quotes the judge in the divorce case. That it wasn't her divorce or HER husband makes this all the more serious IMO. Just think what she'd do if it was her husband.

So, what's the value of focusing on that question at the expense of focusing on real issues in a concrete way?

Just because the campaign and the Republican Party say there's nothing there folks, move along doesn't mean it is true. It IS a real issue but only so far as men's and father's and family issues go. You cannot divorce what she did from these issues and she HAS been found guilty of doing that. I'm sorry that is inconvenient for you just now, but if you really want to see changes made in the current family issue arena you must take a stand on this issue. You cannot have it both ways here or you lose credibility.

Sarah Palin has also been accused of forcing rape victims

I don't know whether to call the above a Red Herring or a Straw Man. I think it is both. I NEVER mentioned Palin and rape on this thread or in any conversation anywhere with you. We are not discussing rape or rape victims here, we are discussing men and father's issues here. Why are you trying to change the subject?