Posted on 10/14/2008 4:39:29 AM PDT by RogerFGay
Remember Sarah Palin? She lit a fire under the campaign when chosen as McCain’s VP running mate. She may have been single-handedly responsible for what has become known as the RNC convention “bounce.” An amazing bounce it was – particularly in the way that it lingered. It lingered in fact until it began to appear that Palin’s tenacity as a culture warrior was being reigned in. Going into battle with only the old McCain campaign strategy strapped to her back, she now continues the fight unarmed.Neil Cavuto is talking about that right now with Meghan McCain.
No. This has been a continuation of a semi-private (sort of) debate Roger Gay and I have been having on MND, usenet, as well as here a bit in the past. I asked him if he wanted to take it to email but he declined which I said in advance was fine with me but I didn't say I'd drop the subject with him.
I'm not going to open the can of worms here that would result if I mentioned directly precisely *who* we are speaking about. It would do no good here and would result in me getting flamed and eventually banned in all likelihood because my opinion on this runs counter to the Republican base's opinion. However, I am surprised at how many people here can't read between the lines and guess who the person is I'm referring to. Roger even gave out a big hint in one of his replies to me. I guess this just goes to show what happens when people get blinded by the Party's wants and needs and don't stop to examine what they are *really* getting in exchange for their vote.
I did remember something you wrote, but unfortunately it did not apply to the conversation. Maybe the bar was set to high. Like ethics in congress.
I was not discussing Dr. Rice. Had Roger supported her I would continue to respect him as an advocate for men's and family issues. I am unaware that Dr. Rice has ever personally gone after a man in Family Court for personal gain when she was in a position of power. Maybe that will help you guess the right person.
I can’t excuse someone morally for not caring for his kids. However, if this gem is as wonderful as you portray him then the mom might have made the right decision to keep him out of the kids’ lives.
Taser...don’t even go there. That is exactly why I didn’t mention her name. True conservatives don’t defend one person’s bad behavior by pointing out the bad behavior of someone else. They address ALL bad behavior. Current Republicans apparently prefer to cherry pick what they consider acceptable and unacceptable behavior. We put all the blame on one person and give an equally “bad” person a free pass.
This is also one reason why McCain will lose on November 4th. Republicans have a history of picking out bad candidates and sticking with them when the base never should have accepted them in the first place.
Neither...one I pity, the other I despise.
Personal life? Give me a break. Family Court and its records are open to the public, Roger. You know that better than I do. I can go to any court house and request to review any divorce case (with the exception of the few that are sealed by judges). There is nothing "personal" about this issue and there never was. Ms. Palin should have thought about the utter lack of privacy involved in what she was doing when she was using Family Court as a weapon if she wanted to continue on in politics. Don't give me this is about her "personal" life. It is now also a part of her record as Governor of Alaska. I have never called anyone a liar on FR before but I'm doing it now. This goes way beyond just misrepresenting my views, you are misrepresenting the facts as well.
Please, then, stop hijacking the thread.
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth and you are not fooling me. You cannot tell these people how BAD the laws are and how BAD the system is for men and father's and *at the very same time* tell them that there is nothing wrong with voting for a candidate who HAS used family court and this BAD system in an effort to remove ONE father from his children's lives.
That you may be fooling yourself on this subject is your problem but I'm not going to ignore what you are doing or stop pointing out the utter hypocrisy of what you are doing. If anyone is ever to change this awful CS and family law system it will HAVE to be done via the ballot box and you overlooking some little female candidate's abuse of this awful system is not helping at all.
The answer has been revealed several times in the posts now. I was just taking a blind shot in the dark. I missed. The problem with this, as with any other national campaign, is that the candidate you find who is perfect in your chosen topic is probably a miserable failure is other areas. Reagan had his problems, Palin has hers. McCain needs a semi to haul his around. Obama would need a cargo train. Call it the lesser of two evils, call it the best available, but we have to chose one candidate based on every issue, not just our issue. Thats how democrats win. The only thing auto union members and enviro wackos have in common is November 4th.
I’m sorry if you get flamed for having a problem with the VP choice. The galloping herds tend to trample from thread to thread, often with pings involved, and bludgeon opposing views. I wish it didn’t happen. It has happened here on the management level, much to my regret. Yet there are still people here willing to have intelligent discussions on a variety of topics and still be respectful. There aren’t many places like that on the web.
It was a joke. Ethics in congress is about the lowest bar in modern society.
I do not take it as an indication of her *over all* character. I think there are lots of areas to judge that from and one "failure" for lack of a better word in one area does not mean I'm damning her as a human being.
However, when talking about the issues involving the men, fathers, the family...YES...she fails because of the *way* in which she used Family Court to go after a man who isn't even HER husband. And no, I do not believe that people who claim these particular issues are of great importance to them should be encouraged to vote for a person who has already behaved exactly like their ex-wives did with them in Family Court.
What false accusations are you talking about?
I am not hijacking the thread. One of Roger’s themes through out all of the stories of real men is the need to make CHANGES in the laws to overturn this system and the way to do that is by VOTING. So I am on topic here.
Thank you for saying that and letting me know that at least you aren't one of that herd. Trying to discuss anything here openly and honestly lately has become nearly impossible. Maybe after the election it will be different.
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