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To: Mr. Silverback
I didn't look at any of the WND pages when I first saw your post. Generally I try to stay away from them. The straw that broke the camel's back in that respect was when they direct quoted someone for 11 paragraphs. And nothing from the other viewpoint. CNN, AP and Reuters may be biased but they at the very least practice good journalism.

The story about Kiildi felt like a WND story despite not being from there. I tried googling her name and all that came up was that story and what appears to be you posting on another forum.

Only 4 of the Philadelphia 11 ever went to court and the charges against them were thrown out.

It sounds like Crystal Dixon is in the process of suing the university. The entire issue has not played out yet. Unfortunately not everyone is inclined to let someone enjoy free speech, but so far the courts have been pretty clear on allowing it. We are lucky in being unlike other countries in allowing all kinds of speech regardless of who's feeling they hurt. Hopefully the courts in this case will continue that tradition.

Free speech can be messy and doesn't always come off without a hitch, but we have ways to correct the errors.

I had some difficulty finding information about Leo Childs, but it appears he was fired for more reasons than his opposition to gay marriage. "Selectman Fred Gaechter, the board chairman, wrote that he and other selectmen took issue with Childs last year after he allegedly appealed a procurement decision to the board of selectmen without notifying the board of fire engineers." I realize that this is not the best source either, but it was all I could find.

As for the NPR article this looks like an issue dealing with another part of the first amendment, the freedom to assemble. If the Church generally allows people to freely assemble there they cannot arbitrarily bar people from assembling there. I searched for the case on Westlaw and Lexis and all that came up between the two was the District Court dismissing the case because it deals with an ongoing state case. If you have anymore information about it I would be glad to hear it.
59 posted on 10/10/2008 3:00:34 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Mr. Blonde
CNN, AP and Reuters may be biased but they at the very least practice good journalism.

This is a serious subject. Don't tell jokes.

The story about Kiildi felt like a WND story despite not being from there. I tried googling her name and all that came up was that story and what appears to be you posting on another forum.

As a reporter, I've often interviewed people whose names never appeared in any other publication, because it was a local story. That doesn't mean the story wasn't true or didn't indicate anything about the situation being discussed. The fact that an injustice hasn't been reported in 15 different journals doesn't mean it didn't take place, and it doesn't mean that more like it aren't coming. Also, M.D. Harmon has excellent credentials and has been writing for the Press Herald for at least 10 years.

Only 4 of the Philadelphia 11 ever went to court and the charges against them were thrown out.

Let's say there's a group of 11 people holding McCain signs outside an Obama rally. The police arrest all of them, 4 end up in court and a federal judge throws the charges out. Is that OK with you? Can you show me in the Constitution where it says the overriding principle of our government is "All's well that ends well?"

If some city decides that Blacks may not protest against Klan rallies and hauls a few of them off to jail, will you be OK with that as long as none of them go to prison? How about if someone decides gays aren't allowed to hold pro-gay marriage rallies? Arrests OK as long as no one gets convicted?

If you were arrested and released (eventually) because one of your closely held beliefs was declared to be "hate" and a violation of civil rights, you'd think that was acceptable? Really?

It sounds like Crystal Dixon is in the process of suing the university.

Crystal Dixon said that gays hadn't had it as bad as people who were enslaved for hundreds of years, and she was FIRED. If they had fired her because she was Black or Jewish, would you say, "Hey, it's OK, she's taking it to court and the courts don't seem to be fond or racial discrimination" or would you call it what it is?

I had some difficulty finding information about Leo Childs, but it appears he was fired for more reasons than his opposition to gay marriage.

So, why did they decide to fire him a year later, right after he was berated in a public meeting for daring to have the "wrong" opinion on gay marriage? If you had a disagreement with a boss, and then he fired you for it a year later right after he (for instance) found out you were a Republican, a Jew or gay, would you accept that you were being fired for the previous year's activity, or would you call a lawyer?

If the Church generally allows people to freely assemble there they cannot arbitrarily bar people from assembling there.

1. How exactly is it "arbitrary" for a church to decline a ceremony that violates their closely held teachings? Should a synagogue be forced to prepare ham in their kitchen because their decision to not serve ham at previous functions was arrived at "arbitrarily?"

2. Should the church have to host Satanic weddings?

3. While I was a drinker, I was married at a Baptist church and was not allowed to serve alcohol at my reception. Should I have been able to sue over this arbitrary decision?

4. The lesbians in question could assemble their wedding at thousands of other locations, but the property and religious rights of this church would only be violated by holding the wedding at one location. Why is the "right" of first choice for wedding location more important than property rights and religious conscience? Should lesbians be able to hold a wedding in my living room if that's their first choice?

5. Why did you only read (or at least coment on) the part of the NPR article that dealt with the Ocean Grove case? What about the violations of other Americans' rights detailed in the sidebar at the bottom of the page?

66 posted on 10/10/2008 4:40:06 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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